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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 12:46 pm
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Jim Dunn
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G'Day all.I purchased this fan recently off the person who restored it over ten years ago and he has assured me that it is totally original apart from the brass dome nuts holding the base plate.It is a 12 inch,2 speed fan.
Apparently some years ago he posted photos of this fan on our AFCA forum here but at the time failed to get a confirmation of its origins.
I will attempt to post a series of photos.(I don't always have much luck doing so in the past) which lead me to believe this to be from the "Verity Family". There are only three distinguishing features to other verity fans I have, the locking yoke wing nut, the rising sun insignia on motor tags and the pressed cage struts which are the same on the fan with the cage logo with the green paint.
The wing nut is the same design/shape as another early double lever oscillator (or double strut as others say) verity fan I have and also my 16 inch orbital. The labels you can see by the photos.
Other interesting features include, very small greese cups for the size if the fan and the cage design,the way the brass has been made to wrap around the front outer cage ring(the cage needs a little straightening)
If anyone has any more info,date of manufacture or theories i'd love to know
Cheers Jim

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 12:48 pm
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Jim Dunn
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The back

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 12:49 pm
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Jim Dunn
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The side

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 12:51 pm
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Jim Dunn
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The motor tag

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 12:52 pm
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Rising sun logo from another verity N01

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 12:55 pm
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Jim Dunn
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Rising sun logo from an older verity no2.
This is an older verity and the fan has the wrap pressed cage struts also

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 12:59 pm
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Jim Dunn
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This fan is a frankein fan,but I believe the base ,cage and struts are original to this fan???

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 01:00 pm
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Oops I forgot...and here's a closer shot of the cage

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 04:51 pm
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Nice - but much earlier than any of mine. I await the verdict of our Veritys experts with interest.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 07:45 pm
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My vote would be an early GEC - Magnet

Compare it with these circa 1910 - 12 and 16 inch GEC -  Magnets

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 10:27 pm
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I think I have the same fan in my garage although it belongs to a friend..... It has tge same motor tag and is painted what appears to be the same color as the painted fan you have shown.. The cage on the one in my garage has the rising sun badge..... I will look and photogaph when I can. Btw, what I do recall is it is very lightweight.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 11:32 pm
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Jim Dunn
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Thanks for your input fellas. Paul,I look forward to seeing those photos of your mates fan. I'm not sure if I could classify it as light weight. This weighs 9.3Kg's(20lbs).
Another thing that steers me towards Verity is that they appeared to be big on giving fans names like their early ceiling fans were called "Karachi","Ceylon"and desk fans,The "Plume",Zephyr","Orbit" etc. GEC had the "Magnet"......I don't really know but it is my gut feeling.
One of our fine UK members posted some Verity catalogue material last year that showed some of the Verity lines they produced,but I can't find where I archived it now.

Cheers Jim

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 01:19 am
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I wasn't sure what you were asking.... Absolutely it is a verity. In fact, I an nearly certain the type "delhi" is shown in a verity catalog I have...... J will look in a few minutes for the fan in question.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 06:42 am
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Are you certain that this is a Veritys? The struts don't look right to me.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 10:20 am
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It is definitely veritys, the base is almost identical to my 1908 typhoon. That should also help you with dating the fan , i'd say from the teens teens maybe. The struts do look a little odd though.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 10:25 am
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1908 cat showing base, does it have a big brass screw at the top of the base? Mine also only has one wingbolt and one rod holding the motor to the cradle.

cheers matt

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 01:17 pm
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Thanks Matt.I thought the struts were odd until I looked at my other green frankien fan with the early verity cage.It has identical struts which are a wrap around variety.
Hopefully Paul's mates's fan and catalogue material will confirm the strut detail.
Cheers Jim

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 05:25 pm
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jim,

photos of the fan in my possession.....

 

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 05:25 pm
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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 05:25 pm
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I'll throw two cents into this.  [Beautiful fan, by the way, Jim].

I agree with Paul that it is definitely a Veritys fan.  Also agree with Terry, that it sure looks like a GEC Magnet.  I have a couple of early Veritys catalogs or scans which clearly demonstrate that Veritys would sell not only their own fans made in the Aston works (and so labeled in their literature) but also sold fans of other manufacturers, such as what looks exactly like a 1901 GE Pancake, the Marvel screw-in "pocket" fan, the Shedd-type oscillating table, and even the battery tripods.  I can't find a "Delhi" in my catalogs, but that means nothing.

Veritys did make a guard with a very large center ring like Jim's, although it had a smaller ring protruding from it, held by six straight brass rods, used as a "handle" to swivel the fan in a ship cabin fan, and it had a dozen s-wires attached identically to Jim's wires.  I surmise the company bought the GEC fans, modified the "Clyde" cabin fan guard, and slapped the "Delhi" tag on it.

Remember, Veritys was a worldwide supplier of a dizzying array of electrical equipment, from small switches to entire power plants.  They could and did obtain products from other manufacturers to sell all throughout the Empire and beyond.

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Thanks very much Paul for the pics. Does your friend's fan appear to have the copper gilt finish on the cage/blade under that beautiful after market paint? I was just wondering what the original finish was.
So it concludes it is a Verity and missing its centre badge.(I know where I can get an original one of those!) This also confirms the cage and struts off my green frankien fan are a match.
Mark ,thanks for your" two cents worth",as you put it.It is an understandable assumption that Verity may have rebranded another manufactures fan.
I am still leaning towards this being a Verity thoroughbred as the steps on the base are different along with the motor vents in comparison to the GEC Magnet fans shown along with any Marelli's I have with a similar "pancake style" motors.
So as Terry suggested...10-12 year of manufacture???
Hopefully a catalogue will surface one day to confirm the details
Thanks everyone for your help and input.
Cheers Jim

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Sorry I was travelling and just saw this post.

Those are fascinating pictures guys. I have been looking for a complete Delhi fan for years and the best I have managed is a motor in very bad condition.

The rising sun motif is exactly the same as Veritys use on many of their fans badges as Veritys.

I have never seen a catalogue though. The first Delhi fan I saw pictured was an eBay one sold in Australia several years ago.

I believe C. K Toh has a complete one too.

Mark's comments on the similarity to GEC motors are very interesting. I have a GEC of that type (it's figured in the Galleries) and I can check it against the Delhi motor but from memory I don't think they are identical.

I'm inclined to think they were full Veritys but why the separation? Why not include them in the catalogues? Why the new brand I wonder unless they were made for export to the colonies? Maybe it was to appear Indian to  deflect rising Indian nationalism but the timing isn't right.

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 Posted: Tue Jan 26th, 2010 07:44 pm
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well,  this should put an end to the speculation.  100% verity made.

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^^^ Great detective work Paul.

I have been re-reading this thread and it doesn't seem like we have a date set yet for this fan? Anyone?

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 Posted: Wed Jan 27th, 2010 05:05 am
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circa 1923

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 Posted: Wed Jan 27th, 2010 05:09 am
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1923 is interesting indeed. That is right before Veritys started to sell their Orbit and oscillators in 1925.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 27th, 2010 02:31 pm
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Thanks for the final catalogue detail Paul. You are a treasure trove of info! I'm glad I don't need to add a centre badge to make it original although it is a better looking fan with it.
I am surprised it was a 1923 model.....I expected a little earlier.
Pete.I think my fan might be the fan you mentioned that sold on ebay in Australia a while back as I was told that sale fell through because the buyer had second thoughts,thinking it was an Indian made fan.

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