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 Posted: Sun Jan 24th, 2010 02:43 am
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Gregory Knapple
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I have been fascinated with antique desk fans for a couple years now. I've never gotten around to giving restoration a try though. Well, today is my day!

I got a hold of three fans today. All for a total of $45. I don't know what they are worth, but they're worth more than $45 to me! The guy that sold them to me was really cool & knew his stuff. I think he gave me a fantastic deal!! Really nice fella.

I am overjoyed to have finally gotten a hold of some fans that I am interested in restoring. I'm not interested in selling them. Working on computers used to be a hobby of mine until I started doing it for a living...now when I get home I do not want to even see my computer. So, I'm going to try to keep this hobby "pure". I'll keep the fans I like the most, and give the others as gifts to family and close friends.

I have a few questions, if you don't mind:

- Do you guys know anything about these fans? Maybe the story behind them? Model, when they were made, etc...

- Have you ever restored one of these specific fans? If so, do you have any advice before I tear into it?

- What is your opinion of brassing a blade & cage that was not originally brass? Is that respectable, or is it considered "pimping your fan"?

- What about the finish? Is a good original finish more desirable than an excellent new finish?




















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 Posted: Sun Jan 24th, 2010 03:33 am
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Ron Draper
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Great buy!:clap:

Great Fans!:up:

Great question??????????:wondering:

Which one are you going to restore FIRST???????????:evil

Ron

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 Posted: Sun Jan 24th, 2010 03:57 am
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Hi Greg and welcome to the owner's club of fans. I think you got some interesting fans and a good deal. The Western Electric is a rebadged R&M fan (made for WE by R&M) and is a nice little fan. It looks like it will clean up nicely, give it some new felt, and enjoy. The other two look like they would benefit from a restoration but I'll let others give you tips on doing that as I prefer completely original fans, unrestored and unpolished.

The choice is up to you, the owner, how he wants his fans to look. I'll always encourage people to leave nice original fans just that way with careful cleaning and polishing if that's what you want.

Some fans with a "diminished" look will look better restored. As for which is more valuable I guess it depends on the owners or potential buyer's views. On the earlier and/or rarer fans I think original is worth more unless a great restoration has been done. Original is always worth more to me though some day I may restore a fan to see if I can live with it that way.

Plated brass doesn't look as nice as real brass and I would not plate a fan or cage unless it was originally done that way; a few were. I also think a painted cage looks very nice with a brass blade. Sometimes too much brass just gets in the eyes. More (brass) isn't always better.

Take your time and learn some methods of restoration before you start. Label all parts that you might not remember where or how they go. Label all wiring you unhook. Some fans even I think benefit from a custom paint job. I've seen a few posted on the forum that are fantastic. Usually they are ones from the 1930s or 40s. Good luck. I think you will enjoy the hobby and do consider joining the AFCA. Save $5 off membership by joining by the end of this month.
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 Posted: Sun Jan 24th, 2010 04:09 am
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Gregory Knapple
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Thanks for the replies, guys.

Steve, do you know when the fan was made? Actually, do you know when ANY of the fans were made?

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 Posted: Sun Jan 24th, 2010 05:21 am
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The R&M is mid 20s, the Westy c.1941-42. Don't know about your Signal.

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 Posted: Sun Jan 24th, 2010 06:11 am
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Your Robbins & Myers(Western Electric) is missing her switch. Good news on your Signal...so far...we only have evidence that they were producing fans in 1925. Sure looks like you have an early one. You can thank Happy Haroldson of Minnisoda for sharing the Signal catalog page dated 26.:D

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 Posted: Sun Jan 24th, 2010 06:21 am
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Wow! That catalog entry is awesome!! How cool to see that! Thanks!

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 Posted: Sun Jan 24th, 2010 01:13 pm
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No kiddin'..great deals!

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 Posted: Sun Jan 24th, 2010 04:43 pm
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Russ Huber wrote:
Good news on your Signal...so far...we only have evidence that they were producing fans in 1925.

What an education. If I were to see this fan at a flea market, I would walk right past it because I would not think it was a rare fan. Signal only produced fans for one year? How rare are they?

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 Posted: Sun Jan 24th, 2010 05:27 pm
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Signal produced fans for many years. As far as we know Loren Haroldson has one of the earliest Signal fan advertisements shown here. It is in the Menominee history on Darryl Hudson's website that Henry Tideman MAY of had a agreement with the newly formed SIGNAL electric(formally Menominee Electric). This agreement was that for 5 years at the time of Tideman's departure to Cairo, Ill. Signal Electric would not produce fans. The books on the web state Henry took off to Cairo in 19. So far........there is NO evidence that Signal was producing fans before 25. But....Geoff Dunaway has.. or had a whole buncha Signal catalogs with the first starting in 29.

So if you want to buy Loren's very rare Signal advertisement page of 26 it'll cost ya dudes. :up: I tried to trade my prized La Boiteaux 1890s oscillator for his one stupid page and he wanted $5000.00 more. :pissed Haroldson digs for the gold dudes...watch your Ps and Qs with this guy. :tumbs

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 Posted: Mon Jan 25th, 2010 09:00 pm
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Is there an FAQ or anything that describes the most common steps of fan restoration? Cleaning, in particular. I plan to repaint the Westinghouse...so I guess I should grab my Dremmel, take the fan apart, and start sanding it down? How quickly do they rust? While I was in the Navy, we sometimes had to strip a deck. That involved needle gunning and sanding it down to bare steel...and that floor, literally, would begin to rust after a day.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 25th, 2010 11:02 pm
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I plan to repaint the Westinghouse...so I guess I should grab my Dremmel, take the fan apart, and start sanding it down?
I guess you could do that but it's easier to disassemble the fan, clean off the old grease and oil, strip the paint with paint stripper or carb cleaner, bead blast, prime and paint. The better the prep the better the paint job will look.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 25th, 2010 11:04 pm
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John Fengel wrote:
I plan to repaint the Westinghouse...so I guess I should grab my Dremmel, take the fan apart, and start sanding it down?
I guess you could do that but it's easier to disassemble the fan, clean off the old grease and oil, strip the paint with paint stripper or carb cleaner, bead blast, prime and paint. The better the prep the better the paint job will look.

John


I'm just going to sand it with some 40 grit and color it with a black sharpie.
(just kidding)

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 Posted: Tue Jan 26th, 2010 12:14 am
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I'm going to restore the Westinghouse first: (Question below picture)

What kind of equipment should I prepare myself with? What kind of cord, motor cleaning supplies, oil, grease, etc.

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 Posted: Tue Jan 26th, 2010 12:22 am
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Gregory Knapple wrote:
I'm just going to sand it with some 40 grit and color it with a black sharpie.

: )

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 Posted: Tue Jan 26th, 2010 12:41 am
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Gregory Knapple wrote:
What kind of equipment should I prepare myself with? What kind of cord, motor cleaning supplies, oil, grease, etc.



You need oil, grease, paint stripper, paint, primer, solder, soldering iron, maybe a volt meter, electronics parts cleaner, degreaser, masking tape, assorted screw drivers and wrenches, pliers,wire brushes, sandpaper, electrical cord,bench grinder, Mothers Wheel Polish, shop towels, naval jelly and a couple cases of cheap beer. Any questions?

One other small detail, make sure the fan is working properly before you take it apart.

THE ESKIMO KID

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 Posted: Tue Jan 26th, 2010 04:44 am
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....forgot Q-tips, 'Kid!

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