AFCA Forums Home
Home Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register

 Moderated by: Steve Cunningham, Stan Adams, Rod Rogers Page:    1  2  Next Page Last Page  
New Topic Reply Printer Friendly
Bad packing jobs  Rate Topic 
AuthorPost
 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 04:19 pm
  PMQuoteReply
1st Post
Scott Mahla
Guest
 

Joined: Wed Jun 30th, 2010
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
Anybody have pictures of destroyed fans because of a bad packing job.Thanks

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 06:04 pm
  PMQuoteReply
2nd Post
Ralph Bliss
Guest


Joined: Mon May 11th, 2009
Location: West Springfield, Massachusetts USA
Status: 
Offline
How can a person not be able to pack an eight inch fan?

Attached Image (viewed 1063 times):

2010_0209RM0002.JPG

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 09:49 pm
  PMQuoteReply
3rd Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Ralph Bliss wrote:
How can a person not be able to pack an eight inch fan?
Easy, they don't have an understanding of the dynamics of a fan traveling across the country, over conveyor belts, being heaved onto your porch, etc. Some people don't have the type of mind it takes to understand how to pack.

You can even tell them how to pack and they still take shortcuts. Too back about your R&M 1801. They are nice fans and I hope you can fix it. Was the cage damaged or even with the fan?

Attached Image (viewed 1040 times):

damagedhunter003.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 09:51 pm
  PMQuoteReply
4th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
I keep in my files damaged fans. It sometimes helps to email such photos to sellers to show them that fans really can be damaged or destroyed.

This beauty still runs and looks good but the base has broken off from the motor. UPS dropped it.

Attached Image (viewed 1039 times):

0658_3.JPG

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 09:52 pm
  PMQuoteReply
5th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Shipped with blade on, cage off...It WAS a 12666

Attached Image (viewed 1051 times):

12666 shipped w:blade on,cage off.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 09:56 pm
  PMQuoteReply
6th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
27666, bottom of motor casting broken from mounting on base. A friend received a close to mint 73646 with identical damage. Enough to make one give up collecting such fragile objects.

In the end it's up to the buyer to instruct the seller SOMEHOW how to pack for survival. As many of you know I have been shipping my fans including 16" cast iron and brass ones for a few years intact with blade and cage ON the motor/base. But I have a special way to do it and have had no damage in about a dozen fans shipped this way.

Here is how I do it. Scroll way down for more photos-
http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=9571&forum_id=1&highlight=how+to+pack+and+ship+a+fan+with+blade

Attached Image (viewed 1013 times):

27666shipping damage-4.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 09:57 pm
  PMQuoteReply
7th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Here the buyer received an unusually rare Westy tank with a square cornered cage. Nasty!!

Attached Image (viewed 1023 times):

CIMG1401_2.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 09:59 pm
  PMQuoteReply
8th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
A nice kidney osc. shipped with blade and cage on the motor. They didn't pack it the way I do or it would not have gotten damaged. Dave Dalsin was able to get this one looking good again but at what cost in time and frustration?

Attached Image (viewed 1033 times):

L1010210.JPG.jpeg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 10:00 pm
  PMQuoteReply
9th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Do the sellers know how FRAGILE that "TOUGH" cast iron is?

Attached Image (viewed 1026 times):

ebay purchase by Jeep88.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 10:01 pm
  PMQuoteReply
10th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Oh, yeah, those flanged Emerson step base fans. Particular care and intelligence needs to be exercised in packing these. If a seller/packer KNOWS that this can happen, hopefully they will take the necessary steps to see that it doesn't happen.

Attached Image (viewed 1049 times):

Emerson base shipping damage.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 10:04 pm
  PMQuoteReply
11th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
It's not always the shipper's fault. Here it was the cage buffer operator's error. Don't polish up those cages, most were not polished when new but "dipped and lacquered".

Attached Image (viewed 997 times):

Ralph Bliss cage photo.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 10:05 pm
  PMQuoteReply
12th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Ouch, GE pot metal oscillator gearbox. Not the sturdiest of materials.

Attached Image (viewed 1018 times):

broken GE fan2.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 10:09 pm
  PMQuoteReply
13th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
A beloved fully ribbed GE pancake with not-quite-fatal damage.

I have to say that the damaged fans that I have received (probably over 100 fansfrom ebay over the past 11 years) amount to bent back blade on 29646, semi minor damage to a 16" 6 wing Westy blade that was hard to fix but not cosmetically damaging, and a few other minor issues but nothing broken, cracked, etc.). I chalk that up to the best communication with sellers that I can do plus knowing pretty much what to tell or email them. We, as buyers and fan collectors have to impart our knowledge to sellers, packers, and shippers. And a bit of LUCK always plays an important part.

Attached Image (viewed 1040 times):

Williiam Drabble's US & UK postal damage, got claim.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 10:14 pm
  PMQuoteReply
14th Post
Ralph Bliss
Guest


Joined: Mon May 11th, 2009
Location: West Springfield, Massachusetts USA
Status: 
Offline
Steve Stephens wrote:  Too back about your R&M 1801. They are nice fans and I hope you can fix it. Was the cage damaged or even with the fan?
Thanks Steve, I've since fixed the R&M, the cage was very damaged also.

Attached Image (viewed 1072 times):

2010_0830RMend0001.JPG

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sun Aug 7th, 2011 03:19 pm
  PMQuoteReply
15th Post
Tom Zussman
Guest
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
man this page is making me sick, got a air castle with a cracked blade, 2 vortys with bent cages and blades, and every other fan with bent cages/blades.

never had i issue with a member here shipping you guys take care of them.

who the heck sells a $1000 fan and then chucks it in a box like crap? thats sick.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sun Aug 7th, 2011 05:45 pm
  PMQuoteReply
16th Post
Fred Berry
Guest


Joined: Thu Nov 17th, 2005
Location: Alexandria, Virginia USA
Status: 
Offline
When I sell a fan, I pack it like it was coming to me...Always remove the blade, cage and struts, remove the rotor from the motor if a pancake, then I pack the carton so it can be used as a soccer ball without doing any damage to the contents within. I have shipped dozens of antique fans and have never had any damage done. When I win a fan from fleaBay, I immediately contact the seller and instruct them exactly how to pack the fan for shipment, offering to pay extra for the special materials. If the seller tells me: "I all ready have the fan in a box", then I tell them to unpack and instruct them to pack it my way. In the dozens and dozens of fleaBay fan-transactions I've had, none were damaged...

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sun Aug 7th, 2011 06:16 pm
  PMQuoteReply
17th Post
Matthew Albach
AFCA Member


Joined: Sun Jun 28th, 2009
Location: Pinellas Park, Florida USA
Status: 
Offline
Fred Berry wrote: When I sell a fan, I pack it like it was coming to me...Always remove the blade, cage and struts, remove the rotor from the motor if a pancake, then I pack the carton so it can be used as a soccer ball without doing any damage to the contents within. I have shipped dozens of antique fans and have never had any damage done. When I win a fan from fleaBay, I immediately contact the seller and instruct them exactly how to pack the fan for shipment, offering to pay extra for the special materials. If the seller tells me: "I all ready have the fan in a box", then I tell them to unpack and instruct them to pack it my way. In the dozens and dozens of fleaBay fan-transactions I've had, none were damaged...
very well said Fred!!!!


Wow these pictures of what happened is very depressing to see at the least makes your stomach turn. I have been lucky to comes to ebay most times.I purchase a fan on ebay most times they are AFCA members But, I had one seller that ship me a GE whiz that she never took off the blade, or cage off. The cage was damage but was repairable bent at where the cage are held together broke off. The seller never followed my instructions how to package this correctly. I have sent  this fan back and got my money back if a seller can't follow instructions how to package a fan then they should not sell a fan on the Internet or anywhere. Sometimes it pays to read feedback on ebay if the seller is responsible.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sun Aug 7th, 2011 08:47 pm
  PMQuoteReply
18th Post
Ron Gibson
Guest
 

Joined: Sat Apr 10th, 2010
Location: Cartersville, Georgia USA
Status: 
Offline
I can attest to the fact that Fred will ensure your fan arrives safely. I bought a Century from him that was packed very well.

Anyone remember the Samsonite commercials with the gorilla? It wasn't THAT good but it was pretty darn close.

Last edited on Sun Aug 7th, 2011 08:47 pm by Ron Gibson

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Mon Aug 8th, 2011 02:03 pm
  PMQuoteReply
19th Post
Fred Berry
Guest


Joined: Thu Nov 17th, 2005
Location: Alexandria, Virginia USA
Status: 
Offline
Ron Gibson wrote: I can attest to the fact that Fred will ensure your fan arrives safely. I bought a Century from him that was packed very well.

Anyone remember the Samsonite commercials with the gorilla? It wasn't THAT good but it was pretty darn close.

I think that the gorilla was far more gentle handling that suitcase than the UPS drivers are with the boxes they handle. Remember Jim Carry in the movie Pet Detective? He was a UPS driver in the beginning of the movie, and watching him with that box made me re-think my packing strategies...

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Mon Aug 8th, 2011 07:01 pm
  PMQuoteReply
20th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
They said it can't be done but, done correctly, it can be done.
Shipping a fan with blade and cage on...

This seemed like a good place to remind people about my packing thread-

http://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/9571-1.html

Be sure to scroll down on the first page for more photos and, also, the second page of the thread has a ton more photos plus a post I just added with more photos of a 29 pound cast iron and brass 12" fan I packed yesterday.

Last edited on Mon Aug 8th, 2011 07:06 pm by Steve Stephens

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 04:45 am
  PMQuoteReply
21st Post
Richard Littlepage
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Sep 30th, 2014
Location: HARRISON
Status: 
Offline






Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 11:03 am
  PMQuoteReply
22nd Post
Todd Adornato
AFCA Member


Joined: Sat Jun 2nd, 2018
Location: Tulsa
Status: 
Offline
Wow, the damage done to some of these fans is a real eye-opener! I’ve been fortunate in that the most damage done so far to a fan shipped to me has been bent cages and blades. The worst damage, of course, was done to a six-bladed brass Emerson set. One blade bent back almost 90 degrees, and the seller disregarded my request to have the blades separated before shipment. They made good with a partial refund, and another member here was gracious enough to supply me with a replacement blade, so it was all good at the end. Still, none of this damage should be happening at all!
On the flip side, I’ve had fans sent to me that looked like a puzzle to remove from the outer box.  Wrap upon wrap upon slabs of styrofoam upon more wrap... one seller was awesome in packing the motor in its own box, the blades in another box, the cage in a third, all in a box inside another box, with tons of wrapping and cushioning.   Took me a good 25-30 minutes to get it all unwrapped, but I have NO complaints about it. 

Last edited on Sat Dec 7th, 2019 11:07 am by Todd Adornato

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 11:41 am
  PMQuoteReply
23rd Post
Geoff Dunaway
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri Dec 23rd, 2005
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
 I am shipping today , a set of empty boxes within a box with instructions to a seller who asked a question that alerted me to the possibility that he wasn't sure what to do.It was a kinda expensive fan & I didn't want any mess-ups.This will insure that the fan is double boxed with the blade & cage off. I have done that half a dozen times over the years , once to get the blade off of an AC Eck stump that the seller could not remove. That box had a plywood bottom with stove bolts sticking up thru it in the position so the stump could be bolted down and allow the blade full clearance in the box that had reinforced corners. I like Steve & others start a dialog with the seller about packing  even before the auction has ended relating to them that cast iron is as brittle as a china teacup.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 02:27 pm
  PMQuoteReply
24th Post
Steven P Dempsey
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue May 15th, 2012
Location: Clarksville, Virginia USA
Status: 
Offline
I have about a dozen fraked up fans.



Attached Image (viewed 416 times):

19646 Damage 1.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 02:30 pm
  PMQuoteReply
25th Post
Steven P Dempsey
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue May 15th, 2012
Location: Clarksville, Virginia USA
Status: 
Offline
21666 packed in kitchen waste, smelled bad also - - After on left, brass is soft



Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 02:31 pm
  PMQuoteReply
26th Post
Steven P Dempsey
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue May 15th, 2012
Location: Clarksville, Virginia USA
Status: 
Offline
all ebay sellers, duh

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 03:42 pm
  PMQuoteReply
27th Post
Robert Todd
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 27th, 2005
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
Steven,

Many years ago, I received a fan packed much the same way as yours.  A 16" Loop Handle with blade and cage attached in a box of random 2 liter soft drink bottles and plastic bags.  I never understood the cushioning value of plastic bags.  I got lucky and the fan only sustained some minor cage and blade damage.  The disappointing part is that it was shipped to me by a well known member of the club (at the time).













Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 04:12 pm
  PMQuoteReply
28th Post
Steven P Dempsey
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue May 15th, 2012
Location: Clarksville, Virginia USA
Status: 
Offline
The 1900 pancake I just got was in foam peanuts, but the cage was boxed separately. Close one

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 05:49 pm
  PMQuoteReply
29th Post
Rickey Williams
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 19th, 2017
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
This was after he agreed to the my packing directions.
It had been a nice straight fan.

Another fan, a woman followed my instructions on how to take apart and pack a GE 49x719. The screws weren't in the box. Lady said she had put them in a baggie and tucked it under the box flap. 
F

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 07:14 pm
  PMQuoteReply
30th Post
George Durbin
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri Nov 2nd, 2012
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
Dam Steve!

That's the little shop of horrors!!


Geo...

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 07:16 pm
  PMQuoteReply
31st Post
Tom Morel
AFCA Member


Joined: Sun Dec 25th, 2011
Location: Long Beach, California USA
Status: 
Offline
I've had bad luck with shipping too, receiving damaged fans is a real downer. These days, I buy from members or get fans locally.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 10:58 pm
  PMQuoteReply
32nd Post
Steven P Dempsey
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue May 15th, 2012
Location: Clarksville, Virginia USA
Status: 
Offline
Also, always disconnect the cast Bronze linkages on Emersons - - they snap when the box takes a hit

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sun Dec 8th, 2019 01:20 pm
  PMQuoteReply
33rd Post
David Allen
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Mon Mar 6th, 2017
Location: Northport, Alabama, USA
Status: 
Offline
UPS. Efficiently grinding up priceless antiques since 1907.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sun Dec 8th, 2019 02:04 pm
  PMQuoteReply
34th Post
Steve Rockwell
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Jun 23rd, 2015
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
Historical Image...







Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sun Dec 8th, 2019 03:11 pm
  PMQuoteReply
35th Post
Dan Nguyen
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Dec 13th, 2011
Location: Ha Noi, Vietnam
Status: 
Offline

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sun Dec 8th, 2019 03:12 pm
  PMQuoteReply
36th Post
Dan Nguyen
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Dec 13th, 2011
Location: Ha Noi, Vietnam
Status: 
Offline

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sun Dec 8th, 2019 10:38 pm
  PMQuoteReply
37th Post
Steven P Dempsey
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue May 15th, 2012
Location: Clarksville, Virginia USA
Status: 
Offline
Yup, I have been making a few wood crates as per original specs

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 11:43 pm
  PMQuoteReply
38th Post
Peter Buffo
Guest


Joined: Mon Sep 24th, 2018
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
I thought I was getting a deal on a Diehl😎

And, this beauty pack job, lucky nothing was severely damaged Notice where the stand is sitting? Not a shred of packing material. Just put it in the box and shipped it.


Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Tue Dec 10th, 2019 03:56 am
  PMQuoteReply
39th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
This is my latest Bad Packing Job! It took a while and a little silver solder to repair the cage.





Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Tue Dec 10th, 2019 03:56 am
  PMQuoteReply
40th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

Current time is 07:56 am Page:    1  2  Next Page Last Page    
AFCA Forums > Antique Fan Collectors Association > Pre-1950 (Antique) > Bad packing jobs Top



Beige Theme By: Di @ UltraBB
UltraBB 1.17 Copyright © 2007-2008 Data 1 Systems
Page processed in 0.2343 seconds (12% database + 88% PHP). 32 queries executed.