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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 12:21 am
   
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John Trier
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Lawrence Erikson took a trip to Schenectady NY to do research on GE, and I believe, specifically the Lynn Works pancake.   I'm not sure but I believe he was able to uncover some important facts about GE's early history.   Is there anywhere researchers could go to seek additional info on Emerson?   ........... BTW ....... Lawrence found a Lynn Works pancake during his trip, it was for sale, but he was a day late and it had sold.   He told me he was able to study it for about 3 hours.   St. Louis has to be a hot bed of undiscovered Meston's.   Remember John Witt's fan meeting 20 some years ago,  some old guy brought a Meston and sold it to John out of the trunk of his car. 

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 02:14 am
   
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John,

I purchased every bit of Emerson literature that has been available the last 30 years or so.  I copied everything, single sided, on to 8 1/2 x 11 white paper so I don't have to handle the originals, some of which are quite fragile. 

Other companies are included, like GE when Skofield was researching his book with Emerson's input.

Most of my Century material came from the home of Edwin Pilsbury, the founder of the company, including his signed textbooks from college, and his electrical books after coming to St. Louis.  He did work at both Wagner and Emerson before founding Century.

I have never gotten through hundreds of pages of original material, but it is safely stored, and shared with worthy scholars like member Brad Cheney, who actually travels to the Smithsonian for some of his research.

We're trying to disseminate the truth, as can be found from the various companies original records.

Dan Hilton, our member and engineer, still has access to some of the Emerson records that I do not.

This is all redundant but easier than trying to find the references from past postings.

Besides catalogs, there is instruction for the salesmen, decisions from lawsuits, and various and sundry other materials.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 02:19 am
   
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Steve Stephens
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Bill Hoehn wrote:
Besides catalogs, there is instruction for the salesmen, decisions from lawsuits, and various and sundry other materials.
That would be interesting Bill if you have the inclination to post some of it.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 02:31 am
   
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Sorry,

I'm remiss in not giving credit to family and wonderful friends who have also given me, and loaned me information, particularly in regards to Emerson Electric.  Things like the old printers blocks even excite me.  It doesn't take much at this age. :-)

Steve,

I keep trying but have run up against a couple of "roadblocks", which really wastes a lot of time. :-)

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 03:46 am
   
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Jim Kovar wrote: Russ, I was just trying to make the
point that sometimes a word is used
in its "singular" form, but is meant
to be interpreted as "all" or "a group."



Just one model would make a boring
show!



What was popular advertising back in that period of time for multiple fan motors offered in one season, Jim?.............OUTFITS, OR DIFFERENTIATING THE FAN MOTORS OFFERED IN THAT SEASON.

INTERESTING!

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 03:47 am
   
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INTERESTING!

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 03:48 am
   
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Russ Huber
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INTERESTING!

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 03:49 am
   
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Russ Huber
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INTERESTING!

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 03:53 am
   
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Russ Huber wrote: INTERESTING!


Quite the understatement.   Thank you, Russ! It's fun to dream about these ancient pieces of machinery art. 

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 03:54 am
   
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Russ Huber
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INTERESTING!

 

http://archive.org/stream/CatalogueOfO.d.PierceCo.ManufacturersOfAndDealersInElectrical/O.d.PierceCo.#page/n91/mode/2up

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 03:55 am
   
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Russ Huber
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BORING! Bummer...only one fan motor advertised by yours truly IN 92...............THE EMERSON ELECTRIC MANUFACTURING CO.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 04:05 am
   
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Russ Huber
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David Foster wrote: Russ Huber wrote: INTERESTING!


Quite the understatement.   Thank you, Russ! It's fun to dream about these ancient pieces of machinery art. 

Emerson advertised ONE fan motor for the 92 fan motor season in the electrical trade books and dental related literature. Eck marketed his desk fans ONE by ONE in the 19th. In 92 Emerson was just building steam to move to the big top. Emerson worked around the clock in 91 to manufacture ONE desk fan motor. There is no logic that in 92 Emerson was manufacturing 3 different desk fan motors. Think about it.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 04:17 am
   
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Don Eckerson and his wife went to Schenectady. They were able to get tons of copies of the records. What I'd love is to see are the photo albums. A VP of GE was into photography. He would take pictures of the GE fans, sometimes alongside a competitor's fan. One picture had an early Pancake beside a Tesla. Another image shows a Coin Op Menominee. Lawrence said each album had about 50 pictures. I asked how many albums they had. He said about 100. I called Schnectady, and spoke with the man over the GE materials. He said they could make copies for me. They send the original photograph to a photographer in town. He takes a picture of the picture. I got the copy. For $25 each. The Library got their original and the negative. I explained the AFCA was a 501c3. Would it be possible for someone to take a digital photo of the original. He said we could probably do that. Then he said Microsoft had been there all summer. They were making a DVD called "The Twentieth Century", and had been accessing the Library materials. I suggested he ask Microsoft to scan those pictures.Then he could sell copies of the books. I think that man left, and new fellow has that job. From Don's experience I'd think he may be eccentric.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 05:00 am
   
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David Foster wrote: Russ Huber wrote: INTERESTING!


Quite the understatement. It's fun to dream about these ancient pieces of machinery art. 


Frank La Boiteaux married this dudes daughter. Frank wasn't stupid, as this dude pictured had jing. That jing financed the manufacturing of Frank's fan motors. :D 

http://cwtsociety.com/AOTM/200404.html

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 06:09 am
   
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Psssssssst.........:D

Jim Kovar wrote: Why would this not be a good
design for a partners' fan? :wondering:

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 06:28 am
   
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No guards?  :wondering:

There's something else,... I know!
Or rather I knew?

But I forgot.   :hammer:

Russ, you keep pitchin' 'em
and I keep missing' 'em!  :wondering:

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 07:03 am
   
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Jim Kovar wrote: There's something else,... I know!
Or rather I knew?


One hand washes the other hand. One blade feeds the other..... fan brother.

 

 

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 07:16 am
   
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Bill, you can respect me for one special reason. I will stand my ground on what I believe is correct, be it impression or fact, despite the treasures you possess. My distinct impression is Emerson marketed one Meston tripod fan motor in 92. 

The best of luck to you proving Emerson marketed the cone base 2001 and 2002 models in 1892.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 10:18 am
   
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I awoke this A.M. wondering what we could move on with, realizing that I can still scan literature and disseminate it.

After the last post, I've decided it isn't worth it! 

I only know of so many ways to try to prove something and I've about run out!

You win, Russ!  I'm tired and too old for all of this!

I do respect you for all of the CORRECT information you give us on so many brands of fans.

Have fun! :-)

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2015 10:39 am
   
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Bill Hoehn wrote: I awoke this A.M. wondering what we could move on with, realizing that I can still scan literature and disseminate it.

After the last post, I've decided it isn't worth it! 

I only know of so many ways to try to prove something and I've about run out!

You win, Russ!  I'm tired and too old for all of this!

I do respect you for all of the CORRECT information you give us on so many brands of fans.

Have fun! :-)

It's not win or lose, playing games, or is it worth it.....it's proving the facts. When your up to it, time is still on your side. Good luck! I'll be working on it, you can count on that.   

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 Posted: Wed Sep 9th, 2015 02:07 pm
   
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Bill Hoehn
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Just in case anyone might be wondering.  I do not plan on opening any more topics on this forum.  It is such a pleasure to work with the wonderful, cooperative and appreciative members by PM or regular E-mail.  As I told Larry, as I offered him my sympathy, I now see why so few members are involved. 

It's a shame!

I do look forward to even more direct communication with those that desire it.

"Emerson" Bill  

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