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 Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2014 05:26 am
   
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Great sleuthing, Russ! 
So, as Dr. Bill has said all along, if if says Meston, that's what it is. At least that's what I got out of this. 
I've really enjoyed this thread! 

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Russ,
 
Can't explain the discrepancies between Emerson's and the other literature.
 
Nice picture of the hanging switch Meston. That knockdown guard was not offered the first few years, and is listed as the "K. D. Wire Guard, 1896 pattern."(3 screw mount),  before the unique 1897 guard that fit only the 1897 fan --(8 screw mount---for the hanging switch Emerson {not Meston} with the much smaller switch handle). This guard was never soldered at the factory, the switch handle was not painted red and the base was decorated. Also the windings were not painted and the binding posts are always nickeled.  

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 Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2014 06:01 am
   
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David Foster wrote:  So, as Dr. Bill has said all along, if if says Meston, that's what it is. At least that's what I got out of this. 
I've really enjoyed this thread! 

Bill Hoehn wrote: The 1892 models--round base---(as in the 1892 catalog-Page 60) were:
 
There is NO tripod in Emerson's 1892 catalog. It IS in the 1893 Catalog. 
 
No. There is strong evidence in my recent posts to support the NEW IMPROVED Emerson tripod was on the market in 92.  It appears Bill's 92 Emerson catalogue material does not support this, and supports the single speed cone base for the 92 season.  Bill believes the catalogues are gospel, I am finding d amning evidence through legit electrical books the catalogues may not be as gospel as some would like to think. 
 

Who said Emerson can't change their mind on their fan motor game plan after a catalogue has been issued in 92?  Think about it. They may of had plans for a second season of the cone base fan motor.  Alexander after the catalogue print came out with a better fan motor for increased business and sales.

 
Emerson was not selling fan motors directly to the general public. Emerson was shipping fan motors in bulk(rail) to agencies like the Electrical Appliance Company.  It would then be in the agencies hands to best market the fan motor to their and Emerson's benefit. Thus the catalogue was a plus to gain agencies for the manufacturer, but gospel it did not have to be. 
 
H ell, Westinghouse used the same d amn picture of their dual speed fan motor for years in the electrical books despite the changes made to the fan.
 
Goldmark & Wallace made claim to manufacture Hurricane fan motors in the Electrical books. The only thing G&W did was hold a NY office and sharpen their pencils and sell fans for C. A. Eck.  Eck was the one with dirt under his fingernails, not Goldmark or Wallace.


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 Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2014 10:46 am
   
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What I find most important in all this wrangling about who did what in what year is this.   

Mestons were offered for the better part of a decade, and in various forms.   Mestons are not Emerson tripods but made in competition with each other?   Each glomming on to the new electrical innovations of the day. (all motor manufacturers pay attention to what the entire industry is doing).  Patents were issued in an attempt to squeeze out the competition (Peerless spin start and Dayton spin start unable to use start windings due to patent infringements)   There are variations in the evolution of the Meston which Bill uncovered to start this tread, plus the evolution of the tripod.   What years all this happened is of minor importance to me and the biggest revelation I see in this thread is "the decade of the Meston" .   I could buy a 1893 Meston in 1899.   Now that's important. 

I was told once by a very experienced collector that he saw zero difference between a trojan 6 wing blade and a 6 wing blade found on a Meston.  

Finally ...... the golden age of fan making.    1890...  Put a motor on a stick, attach a blade and we'll call it a fan.  Then.....  1894-1904?   Make that "motor on a stick" the most aesthetically pleasing, expensive, greatest innovation mankind can con jour up.   Then.... post 1904 the industry degrades and models become cheaper due to costs or other economic pressures.  You pick the antique...... typewriters, microscopes, whatever ..... they all follow this pattern.  In each field,  it's competition with other makers that make the greatest examples in form/beauty/function and so on.   These golden ages don't last long.  

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Good morning Russ,
I shouldn't have posted that during the night. I was barely awake with leg cramps from playing young and dropping 50 to 60 foot trees yesterday.
 
Sorry you misinterpreted my thoughts and intentions.  If there is anyone who understands the errors in published information it is I. I think it started early on when I was an editor and proofreader, and was really driven home when articles about me were barely recognizable with all the mistakes.
 
I have found thousands of errors in fan literature and I try to ignore them and sometimes consider the source. It's obvious to me that you relish in finding other people's errors and letting them know about it. So be it.
 
I thought about challenging you to a contest to see who could find the most errors, but I don't enjoy the negativity of that and always prefer being optimistic and teasing a lot. As one gets older, we value every second and try to make the most of it. My wife and I will be starting to get ready soon to deliver Meals on Wheels. We've done it about 20 years and love to do it because there are so many appreciative and positive people.
Have a good day,
Bill

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Bill Hoehn wrote: Good morning Russ,
I shouldn't have posted that during the night. I was barely awake with leg cramps from playing young and dropping 50 to 60 foot trees yesterday.
 
Sorry you misinterpreted my thoughts and intentions.  If there is anyone who understands the errors in published information it is I. I think it started early on when I was an editor and proofreader, and was really driven home when articles about me were barely recognizable with all the mistakes.
 
I have found thousands of errors in fan literature and I try to ignore them and sometimes consider the source. It's obvious to me that you relish in finding other people's errors and letting them know about it. So be it.
 
I thought about challenging you to a contest to see who could find the most errors, but I don't enjoy the negativity of that and always prefer being optimistic and teasing a lot. As one gets older, we value every second and try to make the most of it. My wife and I will be starting to get ready soon to deliver Meals on Wheels. We've done it about 20 years and love to do it because there are so many appreciative and positive people.
Have a good day,
Bill
 
Good morning to you Bill,  I assure you, I don't relish humiliating, or hurting anyone for public viewing.  This is an open forum for discussion of fan related material.  There have been times I may of seemingly crossed the line. 
 
My tenacity and "it is what it is" manner of going about what I do is inherited from my mother.  Mother would not back down to the president of the U. S. of A. if she felt she was on firm ground with her beliefs and actions. Trust me, I know this to be fact. 
 
I mean no harm, and would be most affected if in anyway I offended someone in what would appear to be a aggressive, or malicious manner. I will on the other hand, make my point clear and stand my ground if my gut instinct is firm on the issue before me.
 
Please be advised, this is simply a fan forum for discussion and debate....etc. I feed off the difficult fan and motor related challenges, and the skills I have developed to scan the books to get to what I feel are the facts.  I try my best to use the information gained from the early Google books that are at best hard to contest. 
 
By the way, Bill, I do something wrong, or incorrect every day.  I don't have to pinch myself to know I am human.       

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Bill Hoehn wrote: Russ,
 
Can't explain the discrepancies between Emerson's and the other literature.
 
Nice picture of the hanging switch Meston. That knockdown guard was not offered the first few years, and is listed as the "K. D. Wire Guard, 1896 pattern."(3 screw mount),  before the unique 1897 guard that fit only the 1897 fan --(8 screw mount---for the hanging switch Emerson {not Meston} with the much smaller switch handle). This guard was never soldered at the factory, the switch handle was not painted red and the base was decorated. Also the windings were not painted and the binding posts are always nickeled.  

Bill, I simply snatched the image of the brushless induction motor from Google images from public domain.  When I took the image the fine details of its construction were not my concern. Thanks none the less for your input. 
 
I just posted the image along with yet another book link article I found recently dated for 95 being there is strong support in Google books the Emerson brushless induction desk fan motor was introduced to market in 95.  I did also post a portion of Emerson History dated for 03-04 indicating clearly Emerson based on the  gaining popularity of the 60 hertz system was moving forward on induction motors AROUND 95. 
 

Western Electrician - Volumes 16-17 - Page 199 1895 - ‎The Electric Appliance company is opening the spring campaign on the Meston alternating current fan motor with considerable success. A number of improvements have been made in this season's machine, which, added tothe great merits the Meston has always possessed, makes a hard combination to beat.

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                            Off topic?  No interest?  Why get involved?
 
When I last looked, we have 2595 "members" online.  Guessing ages is difficult but that translates to probably between 100,000 and 130,000 years of existence.  What a potential wealth of knowledge and experience. I have found, all of my life, that I can learn from everyone if I am receptive to learning.
 
My start of this topic was to get answers and learn.  I have not received one reply explaining my newfound pieces on my new Meston, despite having pictures posted and having sent the pieces to Fan Fair 2014.  That is not important.  What I question is why more members are not involved.
 
Talking, one on one, to members and fan company employees that I have known for forty, fifty or more years, I find that most are anxious to share their knowledge.  Why not on the forum?  It isn't inability because I see their fingers flying on the latest technological marvels.  In my experience it is often the most brilliant and knowledgeable who won't share their expertise.  Why not?  I have never seen a post from many of them.  Why not?  Some have volunteered answers that I will not post.  We all know the members who have absolutely no interest in the manufacturers, history or anything else but restore, (correctly or incorrectly), sell and bow to the "Almighty Dollar".  That's true of so many things in life.
 
My wife, Laverne, just walked by and reminded me that most members are young, working full time and don't have the luxury of retirement and the time to spend on fans, other hobbies and online.     They have my sympathy!   :)
 
Finally we wish to thank all of the wonderful members who stopped on the way to and from Fan Fair.  What are the odds that two couples from the West coast would stop and honor us with their presence?  (Jane and Brad Chaney & Betsy and David Foster)
 
These are some of my random thoughts,
 
Bill 
 
 
 
 
 

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 Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2014 07:35 pm
   
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I'm going to guess: Is this the Meston you sent to Fanfair?Stefan had it.

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Bill Hoehn wrote:                                        TO AFCA MEMBERS & GUESTS
                            Off topic?  No interest?  Why get involved?
 
When I last looked, we have 2595 "members" online.  Guessing ages is difficult but that translates to probably between 100,000 and 130,000 years of existence.  What a potential wealth of knowledge and experience. I have found, all of my life, that I can learn from everyone if I am receptive to learning.
 
My start of this topic was to get answers and learn.  I have not received one reply explaining my newfound pieces on my new Meston, despite having pictures posted and having sent the pieces to Fan Fair 2014.  That is not important.  What I question is why more members are not involved.
 
Talking, one on one, to members and fan company employees that I have known for forty, fifty or more years, I find that most are anxious to share their knowledge.  Why not on the forum?  It isn't inability because I see their fingers flying on the latest technological marvels.  In my experience it is often the most brilliant and knowledgeable who won't share their expertise.  Why not?  I have never seen a post from many of them.  Why not?  Some have volunteered answers that I will not post.  We all know the members who have absolutely no interest in the manufacturers, history or anything else but restore, (correctly or incorrectly), sell and bow to the "Almighty Dollar".  That's true of so many things in life.
 
My wife, Laverne, just walked by and reminded me that most members are young, working full time and don't have the luxury of retirement and the time to spend on fans, other hobbies and online.     They have my sympathy!   :)
 
Finally we wish to thank all of the wonderful members who stopped on the way to and from Fan Fair.  What are the odds that two couples from the West coast would stop and honor us with their presence?  (Jane and Brad Chaney & Betsy and David Foster)
 
These are some of my random thoughts,
 
Bill 
 
 
 
 
 

There is a great deal of interest in the history and timelines of early fan products.  Maybe you haven't seen the arguments over the size of switch knobs on GE pancakes or which variant came when.

When it comes to Mestons, there is a scarcity of examples and those in the hands of a few.  We simply don't have the knowledge base that you have at your fingertips.

I for one am interested in the early Century ceiling fans

http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=24100

I would love to be able to see your Century documentation.

I am positive we can arrange to scan your documents and make them available to members as pdfs in the Information section as many members have already done with their documentation.

http://www.fancollectors.org/info/refer.htm

The ball is in your court.

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 Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2014 08:09 pm
   
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Hi Jeff,
I did not send my new Meston to Fan Fair. I sent , with Jack Johnston, the blade and adapter ring which I've never seen before. They're also pictured earlier in this sequence. Still no one has added to it's mystery.
 
Thinking about it, the only logical explanation I can up with is that the original owner bought it without a guard---normal---used it a lot, and a few years later decided to buy a guard. The original two guards offered with the early Mestons were complicated and relatively expensive. Whoever he went too, sold him the adapter ring so he could use the later relatively cheap guard used on the Emerson tripods.
 
No one yet has identified the blade.

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Steve Stephens approached me about identifying the models of the Meston fans. He didn't consider the cast iron end bells Meston a Meston. To me, Meston was a trademark name, like Northwind. All models marked Meston were Mestons. Bill Samek agreed, and Steve may have reconsidered. I'd like to take part in the categorizing of the Mestons by features. 
I would assume the round base Meston came first in 1891.That would be model 1. In 1892, improvements were made, but it was still a round base. That would be the second model.In 1893, the base was changed to a tripod. That would be model 3.
Do you all agree this is a good start?

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 Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2014 11:00 pm
   
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Hi Steve,
I agree completely, but be careful of the term model. As stated before there was no number for the 1891 Meston. For 1892 they used numbers--They were No. 2001 for the 52 volt and No. 2002 for the 104 volt.
Don't mean to nitpick but the terms Type and Model were not used yet.  In 1893 we first see the term 1893 Model--the first tripod Meston.
More confusion is what we don't want or need :)

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Steve Cunningham wrote:
In 1892, improvements were made, but it was still a round base. That would be the second model.In 1893, the base was changed to a tripod. That would be model 3.
Do you all agree this is a good start?

This Jan. to June 1892 Western Electrician link posted in the following post should have Emerson Meston highlights that will eventually pop up at the bottom of the page.  If you click on the highlight of your choice a page should pop up with 92 season Emerson Meston related advertisements and information for most part. The pages can be enlarged with the enlargement feature.
 

Steve Cunningham wrote:
In 1892, improvements were made, but it was still a round base. That would be the second model.In 1893, the base was changed to a tripod. That would be model 3.
Do you all agree this is a good start?

I am sorry Steve and Bill, I don't agree.  I may be in a minority, but I don't agree. The image below dates Feb. of 92.  Why would a tripod Meston be shown in Feb. of 92 when it was not introduced until 93? Why can't I find one shread of evidence in ANY of the 92 legit electrical books to support a new improved Meston fan motor with cone base?

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https://archive.org/stream/westernelectrici10chic#page/242/mode/2up/search/Meston

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Hi Russ,
Today I ran into a reference in Emerson literature which I have, to a catalog being issued in January. It seems so simple then that anything issued after the catalog release, for the next eleven months will be in the following years catalog. Right?
I wish anyone of us had thought of this and brought it up before. Now I assume (I know this is a dangerous word), that your apparent conflict is resolved!!!
Goodnight,
Emerson Bill :)

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Bill Hoehn wrote: Russ,
 
The 1892 models--round base---(as in the 1892 catalog-Page 60) were:
 
No.2001 for 52 volts, 1.8 amperes, 2200 revs;
 
and the No. 2002 for 104 volts, .9 amperes, 2200 revs;
 
For 1892 "They are now improved and perfected and we guarantee them in every respect."

Sorry Bill, trust me, I wanted to find something in all those 92 legit electrical books about your 92 catalogue improved cone base models listed above. I found NOTHING to support their existence.  I will however not discount the possibility Emerson sold these improved cone base Mestons along with the 92 Tripod Meston?  They must not of been to proud of them as to show an image or mention them.

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Dental approved in 92 and 93.

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Russ, Steve And Tom,
As has been said in so many variations--The simple way is usually the right way!
I  was hoping now you three would accept reality!
Your not doing so, makes me, ALMOST, want to let you three have access to my 1892 and the other 36 Emerson catalogs that I have and you don't!
But, as you described about your Mother,Russ, we Germans are noted for our persistence too---my wife says "stubbornness"!
If I were to release my 1891 and 1892 cuts of the round base Meston (with the changes repeatedly described),I would be giving in to the rude, obnoxious and ridiculous demands of you three the past few weeks, especially the ones by PM and those that were quickly removed by someone!
I certainly admire your (collective) ability to use the internet. I do not have that ability and admit it!
Therefore my 79 page 1892 catalog, and all the rest will not be made public for now, but shared with my many fan friends as in the past!

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Bill, I was disappointed that you could not make FF. I would have loved to have met you and talked!

Great discussion here!

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Bill Hoehn wrote: Russ, Steve And Tom,
As has been said in so many variations--The simple way is usually the right way!
I  was hoping now you three would accept reality!
Your not doing so, makes me, ALMOST, want to let you three have access to my 1892 and the other 36 Emerson catalogs that I have and you don't!
But, as you described about your Mother,Russ, we Germans are noted for our persistence too---my wife says "stubbornness"!
If I were to release my 1891 and 1892 cuts of the round base Meston (with the changes repeatedly described),I would be giving in to the rude, obnoxious and ridiculous demands of you three the past few weeks, especially the ones by PM and those that were quickly removed by someone!
I certainly admire your (collective) ability to use the internet. I do not have that ability and admit it!
Therefore my 79 page 1892 catalog, and all the rest will not be made public for now, but shared with my many fan friends as in the past!

I beg your pardon.

I have not been rude, obnoxious, or demanding in any public or private conversation with you.

You stated above:

"I find that most are anxious to share their knowledge.  Why not on the forum?"

Even nonmenbers find our forums and freely share their catalog and ephemera finds like this Backus mailout:

http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=33237

Your claim of wanting to share seems a bit disingenuous.

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Bill Hoehn wrote: Russ, Steve And Tom,
As has been said in so many variations--The simple way is usually the right way!
I  was hoping now you three would accept reality!
Your not doing so, makes me, ALMOST, want to let you three have access to my 1892 and the other 36 Emerson catalogs that I have and you don't!
But, as you described about your Mother,Russ, we Germans are noted for our persistence too---my wife says "stubbornness"!
If I were to release my 1891 and 1892 cuts of the round base Meston (with the changes repeatedly described),I would be giving in to the rude, obnoxious and ridiculous demands of you three the past few weeks, especially the ones by PM and those that were quickly removed by someone!
I certainly admire your (collective) ability to use the internet. I do not have that ability and admit it!
Therefore my 79 page 1892 catalog, and all the rest will not be made public for now, but shared with my many fan friends as in the past!
 
Guten Tag Herr Bill,  as I stated in past post to you, "respectively" said, I have no interest in gaining access to your catalogue material.  As you are well aware you have received no PMs or calls from me. 
 
You have already shared information from your 92 Emerson catalogue, and thank you. It gave me the foundation to try and locate information through multiple 92 electrical books to those two improved cone base models for 52 and 104 voltage. I am sorry, but despite a diligent effort I failed to find even a shred of evidence these cone base fans you feel so strongly about on the market for 92 existed. I may of missed something, I cannot rule this out. There are a lot of pages in those early electrical books. Thank God Google has developed a search engine for the books that I have through years gained skills to manipulate. 
 
As stated in prior post, I am human, and prone to error just like the rest of us. If I missed something in Google books that would of supported your 92 Emerson catalogue claims, I am most sincerely sorry.   
 
You have been very fortunate to have had the privilege to possess these old relics and ephemera.  I hope your health permits you and your select friends to continue to enjoy them for years to come. I mean this most sincerely. Have a great day!
    

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Russ,

As of your 9:44am posting, it would be Guten Morgen.

For Russ and everyone else,


Instead of using such a word as model for each design change, use "version", such as 1st version, 2nd version, and so on.

Model has a certain definition or say implication, that it is, or might be, something per factory origin. Obviously, Emerson did not say or use model to differentiate changes, so "version" might be a better word.

Precedence for this can be found with our use of pancake, tank, toilet bowl, and other commonly used collector generated/originated phrases.

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Thomas,
Keep wading to the deeper waters and join in the fun!

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Thomas Peters wrote: No dog in this discussion, but wading in deep waters in spite.


Russ,

As of your 9:44am posting, it would be Guten Morgen.

For Russ and everyone else,


Instead of using such a word as model for each design change, use "version", such as 1st version, 2nd version, and so on.

Model has a certain definition or say implication, that it is, or might be, something per factory origin. Obviously, Emerson did not say or use model to differentiate changes, so "version" might be a better word.

Precedence for this can be found with our use of pancake, tank, toilet bowl, and other commonly used collector generated/originated phrases.

Guten Tag Herr Thomas.  Emerson Mestons kann ein Schmerz im Arsch sein....fact Jack.

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What year did the 810, 820, 710 or those models that look like GE pancakes roll out of the Emerson plants and onto the store shelves?
I had a theory that Emerson produced pancake fans like GE, but moved to the centrifugal models with the "can" motors like 910, 1010, etc.
I have absolutely no print material to back up the thought. It's just a guess.
Emerson 810 from Fanfair 2013 in St. Louis ... belongs to Bill, I think.



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Jack Johnston, left, and Bill Hoehn at Fanfair 2013

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Hi Jeff,
That 810 is not mine---darn It! I believe it is Jack Johnston's and I have not been able to trade him for it---yet!
Speaking of GE (Oh, that hurt) "pancake" type motors by Emerson, I always think of all of the large (approximately 7 1/2" diameter) types. They do vary in thickness.
Mine include the Trojan: 5110 & 5120.  
And the Emerson: 1120, 1220, 1310, 1320, 1321, 1520, 1610, 1620, 2020, 12666 and 14666.
I believe the earliest of these would be the 1120 introduced in 1903, but I did not verify that date.

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Then I consider it "official" then, that what I always called "monster motor" Emmy's are pancake Emmy's.

"Large motor" Emmy's were next.

Finally, "small motor" Emmy's like 71666, 776-, etc.

Two more pancake models to add to Bills list above: 2010, 11666. All were ornate motors except the 14666.

Most of these are also among the heaviest desk fans.

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Fred, You are so right---I missed those two last night. Now what are you going to call the other large motor ( 6 1/2 " diameter ) Emmys?   Semi pancakes?  Half Pancakes?  Waffles?  Dollar pancakes?  No pancakes?
Whatever you decide most of us will always know, whatever the name, those GEneric pancakes never had a chance:)

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Bill, I like "waffles"...Or should we use that for the single bearing GE's from now on? :P

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Fred, you are so right again!
 We definitely can not use "waffle", since it so perfectly describes the GEneric so called competitor!

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Russ,

As far as your reply in post #269, maybe they are, at times. But you soldier on, regardless, digging up, "the facts, only the facts".

Your efforts and their results, are a generous favor to our hobby.

Thank you.

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Russ and Thomas,
 
I like your succinct description and opinion of the Emersons and Mestons!
 
I feel the same way at times!
 
Thanks to you both!

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Thomas Peters wrote: Russ,

You soldier on, regardless, digging up, "the facts, only the facts".

Electrical Engineer - Volume 13 - Page 467 1892 - ‎illustration shows the 1892 model of the Meston alternating fan motor, manufactured by the Emerson Electric Mfg. Co., ... The base or stand is a graceful tripod, furnished with soft-rubber cushions, which gives a secure footing for the motor, ...    
 
The Electrical Engineer: A Weekly Review of Theoretical ... 1892 - illustration shows the 1892 model of the Meston alternating fan motor, manufactured by the Emerson Electric Mfg. Co., ... The base or stand is a graceful tripod, furnished with soft-rubber cushions, which gives a secure footing for the motor, ...    
 
American Electrician - Volume 3 - Page 128 1892 - ‎The Meston alternating current fan motor as improved and perfected for the season of 1892 is shown in the ... The motor is furnished in polished bronze and black enamel and the tripod base is furnished with soft rubber cushions ... This fan "s manufactured by the Emerson Electric Manufacturing Company, St. Louis, Mo.    
 
Electricity, a Popular Electrical Journal ... - Volume 2 - Page 208 1892 - Some of its special features are. regulation of speed at will. self oiling bearings and carbon brushes which will last an entire season. ... The Electric Appliance Company are now exhibiting the first one of the 1892 pattern that has been received ...      

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