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 Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2015 11:37 pm
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What do you guys know about this fan? Is there supposed to be a switch mounting the bottom? Just curious of the history. 

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Yes regarding  switch.
Colonial model

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"From a collector's estate"
How did you miss this one Kovar?
I have been to Eagle many times ...

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About fell on the floor when I saw this pop up.  Proves probably pretty much every holy grail fan is still out there, waiting to be discovered.  Would love to see what the blade brackets should look like.  The 1898 Lundell catalog shows a trident-style blade iron as well as the palm frond iron.  But I haven't seen a catalog image showing this fan - only the American Electrician images.  Still...amazed at how the fan mirrors the woodcut image, pretty perfectly.

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If the new owner rebuilds it, I'd love to see pictures of the insides. 

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Believe this is the motor patent from 1892 applicable to this fan.  Pretty interesting motor construction!  Slanted motor poles and what looks like a single coil wrapping around them.

https://www.google.com/patents/US481701?dq=ininventor:%22Robert+Lundell%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6wEwBGoVChMI7Kyi-sCVxgIVgkGICh2tIAkK

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92 Lundell desk fan motor with ball bearings. One year run. Self adjusting bearings in 93.

Bob's bowl of Wheaties every morning and work outs at the gym paid off. Kept him on the cutting edge.

Gotta love that field wind.:D 

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No nonsense Bob. Notice SWEDEN is synonymous with successful fan motor engineers. :clap::D

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Why would the date 97 in the ebay listing not float? Because IC did not get absorbed by Sprague until Oct. of 97. 

The 98 Lundell desk fans despite Lundell's new desk fan design patent filing in 98 remained unchanged in design from 97.

  

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Awesome fan, David! There could have been not only a switch, but also a light fixture below that motor!

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The patent drawings show a two-bearing armature.  Being that this is a ceiling fan with a hollow axle that wiring passes down to the switch and lights, is it safe to assume that this fan has a single-bearing armature that rides on the hollow axle (like a typical ceiling fan)? And that the missing switch mount had a thrust bearing to support the armature? Or is the thrust bearing inside the motor case?

 

 

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At least we know it has a thrust bearing.  Sounds pretty simple.

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I missed this ceiling fan.
I like it too!

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Tom Dreesen wrote: "From a collector's estate"
How did you miss this one Kovar?


Lack of diligence, I suppose?  :wondering:

Check out the listing category...
Home & Garden > Lamps & Lighting...


Would have it had more exposure if it was listed in
Collectibles > Kitchen & Home > Electric Fans
?...

Heck yes, it would have!

Would have it sold for more?   Most likely!



This auction was not posted here when it was
active, but if it had been, it would be
a good
example of why I'm against the posting of
currently active auctions on these forums.


I missed it.  My lack of diligence.  My bad!

Why :censored with those who do find the listings of
rare fans on eBay or at real auctions, the diligent,
the ones that do the "leg work?"

Hard work and time spent should at least pay
off some of the time, shouldn't it?  :wondering:

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Jim Kovar wrote: Tom Dreesen wrote: "From a collector's estate"
How did you miss this one Kovar?


Lack of diligence, I suppose?  :wondering:



I wonder what else you missed from the collector's estate in the greater Lincoln area?!?  You are slipping Kovar!

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Jim Kovar wrote:
This auction was not posted here when it was
active, but if it had been, it would be
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example of why I'm against the posting of
currently active auctions on these forums.


I missed it.  My lack of diligence.  My bad!

Hard work and time spent should at least pay
off some of the time, shouldn't it?  :wondering:


Agreed.  I've missed plenty of auctions I wish I hadn't.  I either didn't look hard enough, or I just didn't look period.  I guess I just decided I wasn't going to be 'on it' 100% of the time!  Whatever.  My wallet thanks me, I'm sure.

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Tom Dreesen wrote: I wonder what else you missed from the collector's estate in the greater Lincoln area?!?  You are slipping Kovar!
Tom, at an auction I attended on Saturday,
I overheard a conversation about the sale
of the estate in Eagle, NE.  It wasn't an auction
or a tag sale.

All of the estate save the real estate was
sold as one lot. I don't seek out the buying
of the entire contents of estates.

But, maybe I should expand my network
of fan finders (pickers) to include such
buyers!

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This reminds me of something I once heard from a fellow member.  The lore goes that someone found an actual Emerson CF-1 in St. Louis as part of someone's estate, but you had to buy the whole estate to get the fan.
:pissed  
Nothing like a huge cloud of financial reality to rain on someone's fan parade.
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Evan Atkinson wrote: At least we know it has a thrust bearing.  Sounds pretty simple.
It is....simple. It has the same Lundell fan motor offered by Sprague for desk or bracket. It was wound for 115, 165, 230, and 250 VDC. It runs on one speed of roughly 150 RPM with a 56" blade sweep. The switch located at the bottom simply connects and disconnects the circuit to the fan motor. I see it on the market from 03-05.

The Sprague Empire CF was discontinued along with Sprague AC desk fan in 03.

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I only see the fan in the 1900 American Electrician.  Where are you seeing these details Russ?  Any other images?  
Would like a better gander at those blade irons.  They look like fancy 'sandwich' brackets, kinda like the fancy all-brass Western Electric/Peerless irons.  Guess we shouldn't call them 'irons' if they're all brass 
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Evan Atkinson wrote: I only see the fan in the 1900 American Electrician. 



1900.
 

1900-05 so far. That is 6 fan motor seasons of manufacture of the Sprague Colonial.

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1905 American Electrician.

Read the bottom paragraph. Sprague is reporting no changes in fan motors including the ceiling fan described in the 03 American Electrician.

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Notice the differences in the fan motor castings where the down rod threads in 1900 and 03. Also the switch.

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Really nice ceiling fan!! Who got it? I see the auction shipped to the US only.AFCA member?

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Russ Huber wrote: Notice the differences in the fan motor castings where the down rod threads in 1900 and 03. Also the switch.
The lower bearing cover right above the blade turret looks different too in the 1900 image vs. 03.  The 03 shows the ribbed cover like this fan, but the casting bosses on top of the motor kind of look more like the ones shown clearly in the 1900.

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Fred Berry wrote: Really nice ceiling fan!! Who got it? I see the auction shipped to the US only.AFCA member?

I've been dry awhile since the Skidoo from the bayou which I'm still working on.  I could not resist this one.  It will be my first Lundell-motor fan.

These are like buying a Matisse, a Picasso or a Van Gogh painting.  But they're better: they cool you off.  And I can still stare at them for days.

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Way to go, Evan!! I also notice the 03 clearly has oilers at each bearing...not so with the 1900 image.Blessings! Chuck

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I wouldn't put my life on the 1900 model without cups. In the mean time get a grip on your Sprague Lundell. :clap:

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Evan Atkinson wrote: Fred Berry wrote: Really nice ceiling fan!! Who got it? I see the auction shipped to the US only.AFCA member?

I've been dry awhile since the Skidoo from the bayou which I'm still working on.  I could not resist this one.  It will be my first Lundell-motor fan.

These are like buying a Matisse, a Picasso or a Van Gogh painting.  But they're better: they cool you off.  And I can still stare at them for days.

:eyes



 

Evan, what are your plans for the fan?  Get the missing parts and get her running again?  I'd love to see a thread on the restoration.

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I will restore this one.  I will either search for, or reproduce the missing parts.  That will be a fun challenge because I don't have a clear image of what the switch ball or blade irons should look like.  Anyone out there have a Sprague catalog from 1900-1905 showing this fan?

To date, I've been guilty of too much collecting and not enough restoring.  I have to remember that there will always be 'one more'.  I guess that's the beauty of the hobby.  You get the fun of the hunt which is 1/2 of it, and the thrill, enjoyment and satisfaction of seeing the restored ones (the other 1/2).

The blog's a great idea: I'll do that for this fan.




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Congrats Evan.  Nice addition to the herd.

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Tom Dreesen wrote: Congrats Evan.  Nice addition to the herd.

Thanks Tom.  And Chuck.  This one is a diamond and not too rough either.  Am thrilled to add it to the collection.  Hoping I can figure out the blade irons.  I might end up getting creative on the switch ball.

What do people think: should the finish stay black?  This one might really pop in Brass.  Kinda appropriate for anything early American called "Colonial".  Sprague did offer Polished Brass as a finish on the 1898 models.

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Evan Atkinson wrote:
What do people think: should the finish stay black?  This one might really pop in Brass.
Si, Senor, black is wonderful for antique fans.  "Pop" would seem to be more fitting for a hot rod and not an antique.

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I think a deluxe original finish, brass, gun blue, copper oxide, or whatever they came with would be nice. 

It would be great if you can get photos of an original switch. Maybe lathe one from brass. You could probably find similar irons, then keep your eyes open for originals. 

I recommend making blades from an exotic wood with a wild grain and danish oil. Or oak for a mild grain. You might find a wood worker guy that can reproduce the old shellac or whatever they used if you want to go fully original. 

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If you look at this picture, the blade hub looks loose on the axle. Probably fine. I'm guessing that the switch would thread onto this axle and that the axle passes through the armature and does not spin. 

Maybe the brush wires connect to the screws on the brushes, loop, then pass through the hole at 2- and 8-o'clock. Repro wire has insulation that might be too large. I have some original wire. 

If you need new bearings, you might want to press in new bushings, bolt the case halves together and line bore both so they are aligned. 

The description mentioned that the armature was bad, but I would check everything well before jumping to any conclusion. Could be a bad brush or solder connection. Or bad field coil. Not a big deal. 

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David Hoatson wrote: I think a deluxe original finish, brass, gun blue, copper oxide, or whatever they came with would be nice. 

It would be great if you can get photos of an original switch. Maybe lathe one from brass. You could probably find similar irons, then keep your eyes open for originals. 

I recommend making blades from an exotic wood with a wild grain and danish oil. Or oak for a mild grain. You might find a wood worker guy that can reproduce the old shellac or whatever they used if you want to go fully original. 

I am also getting bored with black, no matter the historical imperative.  An appropriately aged brass plate would be killer.

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Copper would cost $175 plus shipping, maybe less. 

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