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 Posted: Wed Aug 10th, 2016 06:55 pm
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Back view....

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Nothing muddy about this fan. Everything about it says 1900....

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Then you come across this critter....

Type UI Form E 104v 133 cycles s/n 54982. So it's a 1900 swivel trunnion. Not a problem....

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Thank you for posting! The facts are a fascinating read the fans themselves pure eye candy. :clap::clap:

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This one came off of eBay last week. Pulled the back cover expecting to see a 10 pole stator. Instead, it was a four pole stator with a wiring conversion to change it to 110v. It was a 220v 60 cycle stator.....Go figure.

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Love this thread. Thanks for all you do, Kim. 

And thanks for the Lynn works pix, Dr Bill. I forgot how pretty that fan was when you showed it to me. 

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Not enough syrup to cover all those cakes!
Geo...

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Thanks Doc for the Lynn Works pix. That is one sweet fan....Sure you don't want to put it on loan to the museum for a while? I'll come over and pick it up........

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Bill Hoehn wrote: Of course you're kidding Kim. 


No, actually I wasn't.....But I don't fault you for wanting to keep it at home.

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Hey guys, wait till Kim gets to Year 1903 GE Pancake production, variances and differences are "endless" that year.

Kim you've most desirable Cakes collection.  

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Early 1899 - E7 model without the GE badge. SN:34598 -104 volts/125 cycles

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Motor tag information:

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 Let's recap before moving into a new century. Using observations and quoting written resources about the 12 inch and 10 inch/14 inch fans in a/c.....

1894 serial numbers run 1 to 1700. You must remember that these numbers aren't just assigned to desk fans, but to ceiling fans, motors etc. The fans produced were all 10 inch solid frame models, no switch, cage, and a six wing blade. Referred to as Lynn Works by collectors.

1895 serial numbers run 1701 to 6700. Twelve inch solid frame fans were introduced. Slightly taller than it's ten inch counterpart to accommodate the larger blade (fan). Ornate back plates stated either Lynn Works or Schenectady.

1896 serial numbers run 6701 to 14200. Twelve inch swivel trunnion model. Oval motor tag with Schenectady location. No switch. Cage is ten s-wire with large open ring and soldered to struts. Back motor cover has 'snowflake' design.

1897 serial numbers run 14201 to 23600. Rear motor cover redesigned to accept a speed control switch. Fans now had two speeds. Models were 10 inch solid frame and 12 inch swivel trunnion (referred to by GE as the "improved '96 model".

1898 serial numbers run 23601 to 31000. Reference material says this year's 12 inch fan is 1/2 thinner and no longer uses the oval motor tag. This might be true with the later models but my example is same thickness motor and has the oval motor tag. Blade is held to shaft by a set screw only and the cage struts are integrated to the cage.

1899 serial numbers run 31001 to 44000. 12 inch fans featured solid frame and swivel trunnion models. Solid frame bases were smooth and motor featured a full circumference brass info band. Swivel trunnion used the half ribbed base like the earlier year models. GE logo introduced on cages. Back ring brass stock is same thickness as front ring. Oil reservoir moves from underneath to on top of bearing housing. S wires continue to be wrapped around rear ring. Blades change from 6 wings to 4 wings. Hub is cast brass. Acorn nuts continue to be unslotted.

1900 serial numbers run 44001 to 70000. Solid frame 12 inch fans use same half ribbed base as it's swivel trunnion counterpart. Oil reservoir moves back underneath front bearing housing. Back ring on cage uses thicker brass stock. Acorns nuts are becoming slotted. A brass oil return is now used instead of a brass band on the front bearing housing.

I haven't touched on the different cycles and voltages that can be found with these models of fans. This just a quick way to visually identify these fans by years or by serial numbers. There are always exceptions, but for the most part, I use these cues for quick identification. If I've left anything out feel free to add input. I am around these fans so much that I forget a lot of things about them.

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This thread just woke me up, thanks Kim all beautiful fans.

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Bill, the serial number ranges are just rough estimates. According to Bill Samek's report on GE Pancakes from 2008, It is suspected that the solid frame 1895 fans continued to be sold into 1896. I have several fans with serial numbers that don't fall into the ranges given......

 

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Kim,

Thanks for showing these cakes. It's great to see them in a timeline like this. Beautiful fans and amazing collection.

I really love your oddity that you have. The paint job just simply shows the life it has had and it looks like a colorful and interesting life. And it's a CCW fan too! Really enjoyed seeing it in person.

I highly suggest people making the time to visit Kim when you can.

Great guy with great fans.

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Bill, without seeing each fan, the sn's would tell me that 49221 and 50354 are 1900. 89323 would be '01. 111662, 142750, and 144349 are '02. 172067 would be 1903 and 189216 would be 1904. The motor tags on these fans would also have Type and Form letter/numbers. 217129 is 1905 and 266080 would be 1906. These fans only have s/n's. Spec numbers probably have to do with size, voltage, and cycles....If you post pics of the two without tags, we can probably get you a year....

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Close ups would be fine....Take your time. I'm gone until Sunday.

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1906 and 1900 as best as I can tell. 

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     How about this bird-footed UI Form C? Any of these to be seen?


        Really enjoying this thread.

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1900

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One of the footed Pancakes has been seen years ago.

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Steve Rockwell wrote:      How about this bird-footed UI Form C? Any of these to be seen?
None that I know of, at least with the back switch.   Is that a 16" fan?   Below is Stefan's Form C crowfoot and I had a similar one but they all have the vent holes around the perimeter of the motor and a switch in the base.   I like the one you posted Steve.  There is also a DC crowfoot around that was shown at Fanfair around 2005.

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Steve R., I have seen that motor in the '00 catalog on the Wall mount bracket and desk fan. Reading further into the description for the 1900 16 inch alternating current motors, it states "Trunnion body fitted to wall bracket containing regulating coil and switch, black enamel finish. The 1899 catalog shows a 16 inch wallmount bracket with the switch in the bracket base, not in the rear cover of the motor. In the 1900 catalog, it shows the 16 inch bracket fan with both a switch in the back cap of the motor and a switch in the base. The Fishtail example doesn't show if there are any switches, at least from the angle it is shown...

Continuing into the twentieth century, some changes were made to the 12 inch fans. The motor housings featured cast in bosses for the struts, and are in a + pattern instead of an X. Struts use a wider and thicker brass stock. Cages appear with the s-wires piercing the rear ring. Type letters become AB and AD and Form letter is A for the 1901 models. Vent holes appear around the perimeter of the motor housing.

Type AB Form A

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The serial number is out of sequence....44261

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Bottom strut on trunnion models feature a different strut at the six o'clock position, probably to allow more movement in positioning the fan downward.

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