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 Posted: Tue Aug 16th, 2016 02:24 am
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I have five 1899 GE pancakes and here are the grease cups.  I see two differences; one has a straight knurl on the cap and two have finer or closer together knurling at the base of the cylinder.  All but one have a small wire on the inside that looks as if it would ride on the motor shaft, maybe helping the grease move to the bearing.
The wire measures 1.275" long in each of the four cups that have the wire.  Diameter is 1/16" wire.
One cup does not have a wire but has some kind of string or cotton stuff in the cup saturated with oil.   I do not think that is original from GE but that all 1899 grease cups came with grease installed as well as the small wire inside the cup.

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Each cap has four thin slits to give a snug but not too tight fit.

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Wire in foreground is in each of the grease cups but for one in which someone put some kind of cotton string packing to absorb oil.

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A good sample like these five cups should accurately show how GE provided the 1899 grease cups on 12" fans.

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Steve,

Thanks for taking all of those outstanding grease cup pictures.  So there were variations in the pancake grease cups even though GE grease cups were used for only a short time. Also I did not know they should have "poking" wires inside!

My favorite pancakes are the BTH and the CGE because of the badges on those fans.

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Somebody else brought up oilers and many of these are ge. 

Sorry Kim and anyone else if I offended you.

Moderators; Please feel free to eliminate any of my posts that you feel are inappropriate, and I'll try to be more careful.

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I liked docs post and this is about oilers... There is plenty of room for those of us wondering about the differences in oilers and greasers... Yall need to chill a little bit and open the tent flap a crack and understand many of us enjoyed docs post... Dang...
geo...
Steve it was RELATED discussion!

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Bill Hoehn wrote: Somebody else brought up oilers and many of these are ge. 

Sorry Kim and anyone else if I offended you.

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Bill, feel free to jump in any time and take this thread wherever you want it to go.  I saw the oilers and thought they were pretty cool.....But since we were talking about pancakes, how about some 16 inch fans.
Steve Rockwell posted some pics of the 16 inch 1900 bracket and desk models. I have not seen that configuration with a back switch. I have seen this one, abet, years ago at Fan Fair 2003 in Wichita. This picture is from the American Fan Collector magazine from 1998. Seeing it in person, it was missing the switch and had the wrong cage. I don't remember if the blade was correct or not, but this is the only dc Fishtail model I have seen. I don't know what happened to it after Loyd's death...

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George Durbin wrote: I liked docs post and this is about oilers... There is plenty of room for those of us wondering about the differences in oilers and greasers... Yall need to chill a little bit and open the tent flap a crack and understand many of us enjoyed docs post... Dang...
geo...
Steve it was RELATED discussion!
I liked seeing Bills' oilers and greasers but it really was not related to this topic "Fans of the Museum" (Pancakes) and would have been great in a new but separate topic.  Bill, I'll not say a thing it you want to repost.  If I chill any more I will have to don my ski clothing; San Francisco can be cool in the summer and it's only 70.7  deg. in the house now because I opened the tent flaps last night and ran my whole house fan.  But that's not related either so I beg your pardons.

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Does any one know why the fish tale fan was made? Was it intended to look good as a wall mount? This always made me wonder why... This may have been covered before... I missed it if it was discussed...
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George Durbin wrote: Does any one know why the fish tale fan was made? Was it intended to look good as a wall mount? This always made me wonder why... This may have been covered before... I missed it if it was discussed...
geo...

It was made to support center of gravity properly as the Yoke was profiled forward not straight up as you see in regular 16" Pancakes there for the weight of heavy 16" motor+ blades + cage sticks out well over the center of the base. Fish Tail simply provides support and esthetic look at the same time.

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Here is Stefan's Form C (1903) crowfoot.  I didn't think the crowfoot was made that late.
Edit:  It wasn't made that late and Kim informs me that Form C is not the same as with the 12" AC models where it is 1903.    I actually had this fan listed as a 1900 model but the pinned cage would not have been made that year nor the smaller badge.   Cage looks like a new reproduction and is constructed as would be a 1901 through earlier 1903 with pinned rear ring.  1900 16" would have had wrapped rear wires.


I don't think it was made to be wall mounted as there are no mounting holes or tabs on the base.

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1904 trunnion has straight arms giving better balance to the motor over the base.

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George Durbin wrote: Does any one know why the fish tale fan was made? Was it intended to look good as a wall mount? This always made me wonder why... This may have been covered before... I missed it if it was discussed...
geo...


Wasn't there a similar fan being worked in last May in Harrison? It was painted white. I saw it and did not realize what it was until now.

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Here's a photo I took of Loyd Davis's 16" GE DC fishtail.   I did ask Loyd how he acquired this and now I can't remember for sure.  I think he bought it from a fellow antique dealer who held it for him.   I bought a fan from Loyd and saw this one when I went down to pick up my fan.   Asked if it was for sale and all he said was, "Let's not do this today".    His way of saying NFS. 

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Was waiting for DC fans to begin as a separate category.
 More photos...
Type FD 16" Form D

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Good resolution available with the original pics

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Type FD 16" Form B Fan Motor   Model 1900  cat. 23310

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More rez

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Unlabeled. Let the pros weigh in...

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Same fan, four more to go...

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Real curious look to it...
though I like it.

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Again.

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Last 5 photos taken at a different time from post 141.
Are these 5 also FD form D?

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Steve Stephens wrote: Here is Stefan's Form C (1903) crowfoot.  I didn't think the crowfoot was made that late.



 

It is a type UI form C......has nothing to do with 1903. Here is one example we have in the museum. It too is a type UI form C....I have seen these in a closed motor (no vent holes around perimeter) and as a type AD form A with struts in + pattern.....

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Side view....

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1901 Type AA form A solid frame.....

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It is a 2 speed motor. Notice the cage clip at six o'clock...

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1902 Type AA Form B. Same fan as the 1901 except it is now a five speed....

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