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 Posted: Wed Jul 19th, 2017 07:17 pm
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Steve Stephens
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Kim Frank wrote: An interesting tidbit so far is that 19.4% of cages on fans from 1903 and after have wrapped rear rings. That's one in five fans.
I have always thought that the wrapped rear ring cages on 1901-08 pancakes were replacements after the pinned wires broke from the rear ring, something that occurred quite often.   

Is the cage badge and construction of the badge to cage similar for those wrapped cages seen on pancakes or is the construction more like the BMY cages?  That might tell you if the cages were later replacements or not.

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1902 12" (S) Type AB --- Form B --- S/N 114831 --- Volts 100/115 --- Cycles 125/140 --- No Spec --- 4 strut 4 wing cast hub, 10 hole pierced back ring.





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Started here Hadacol for the no alcohol Cajuns - one swig is all it took - Bill Hoehn wrote: Kim,

On topic---who is going to do a survey of the more interesting later ge's?

Actually I prefer Hadacol to Geritol.  They even tell me which end is on top and have 12% alcohol (as a preservative) :wondering:!!!

An still chasing Laverne after about 65 years, but it's getting slower with the cane, walker and stair-lift and forgetting what for!


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Gary....Thank you. Check your 1901 and see if it isn't Type AB instead of AD. You listed it as a stickmount and AD would be a trunnion.




Steve....Most notable about the wrapped cages on my Cakes after 1903 are the lightly crimped badges and the cast brass spiders holding the s-wires. BMY's, with the exception of the 1908, have a stamped brass spider on their cages...I couldn't find my pictures showing the difference.......




Henry....That fan is a beauty. Thanks for sharing....Don't ever restore that survivor. It's perfect as is.....We have one coming that was found buried under dirt in a basement. That one would look awesome next to it, should you want to put it on display in the museum.....




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KimMy mistake the 01 is a trunion not a stick.

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Got it. Thank you Gary.

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Kim, I like to keep my fans in original condition. I did install a cord and fresh oil though. Rumor has it that this may be a super rare special order Rustpunk Collectors Edition. Supposedly it was tied to the back of a steam liner and ran back and forth across the Atlantic for an unknown period of time to get that perfect rustina look.



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12" Smooth base (T) --- S/N 263343 --- Volts 100/115 --- Cycles 60 --- 3 struts --- No blade or cage info.

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Update: 320 fans in the survey so far....


No 1894 Lynns reported yet....


Spec nos. for '00 and '01 starting to make sense...


Voltages for fans 1902 and later mostly 100/115v 60 cycles...


Latest serial number reported 325389....


Out of sequence (oos)serial numbers: 4 of 7 1897 fans have s/n's for '96
                                                        5 of 8 1898 fans have s/n's for '97


                                                        10 of 33 1899 fans have s/n oos... from '97-'01
From 1900-1908, serials numbers fall within the given parameters as found in the GE
survey.  * there is the occasional oddball*

This is speculative:
1896-1900 Type and Form letters indicate current and frame/motor size for particular year.
1901-1904 Type and Form letters indicate frame and year *(there are some exceptions ie:'01 12" and 14" solid frame share same type letters 'AB', '03-'04 12" and 16" trunnion share same type letters 'AD/AK')

 Keep the info coming....Thanks



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Just ran my trotlines as the water levels in the Ouachita river have been quite high! I found four of my anchors today and honestly these GE Phanns likely produced in Iberia had readable ID's as follows:: 
00  12" Stick - Type UI Form F 2 Speed 104V 60 cycle Ser 48608 Spec 12721 - 4 struts & 4 wings cast hub - 10 wire wrap

02  12" T  - Type AD Form B - Ser 102644 no spec 100/115V 60 cycle  4 struts & 4 wings cast hub  10 wire cage pierced  brass wing bolts

02   Same as above with Ser 143595          Note: last pat date on tag reads 6-25-01

03   12" T  - Type AD Form C Ser 149492 - 100/115V 60 cycle  - 4 struts & 4 wings cast hub  10 wire cage pierced brass wing bolts

I didn't see the beginning of this info request, but if I had to guess it's an environmental recall on ALL GE 5 & 10 cent store made fans ever produced, so I'm hoping I don't lose my anchors as that's about all GE Fans are good for! 

Have a large day FRANKO, you arm twisting grasshopper & thanks for the study effort as we all do appreciate it! 

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:cool: Tough talk Jerry! I'm sure Kim will agree with you.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 30th, 2017 01:32 pm
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C'mon Jerry, you ain't phooling anybody. A trotline? Jeez, you won't even get near a Koi pond for fear of one of those scary creatures leaping out and attacking you.... I am pretty amazed you were able to take time away from sewing Barbie clothes and baking cookies to add to the survey, but I do appreciate it. Take care my friend.....btw..I know you must be proud of those Cakes.......this is the third time you've sent me the info on them.............

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1902 GE 12" (T) - Type AD Form B - s/n 107455 - 110/115 v 60 cycle - 4 strut - 4 wing - cast hub - 10 wire cage pierced - Brass wing bolts

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1903 12" T Type AD Form C Volts 100/115 Cycles 60 S/N 158277
10 Wire pierced 4 Struts (+) 4 Wing Cast Hub Full Ribbed base

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12" Half Rib (T) --- S/N 229040 --- Volts 100/115 --- Cycles 60 --- 3 struts --- No blade or cage info.

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Henry, your fan falls in the 1905 category. It most likely had an 8 wire pierced cage(although a wrapped cage wouldn't be incorrect) and a stamped brass hub blade.  A couple of questions....does it have wing bolts or shoulder screws holding the motor to the trunnion and in the neck of the base....are there a thumb screw and a set screw or just a single set screw holding the trunnion?

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Thanks for the info Kim which I will need in the future. I'll check this evening for the details. Most of the fans that I'll be listing here were a bulk buy with unlabeled blades and cages in a different box so that's why I'm not giving blade and cage info.

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Kim Frank wrote: Henry, your fan falls in the 1905 category. It most likely had an 8 wire pierced cage(although a wrapped cage wouldn't be incorrect) and a stamped brass hub blade.  A couple of questions....does it have wing bolts or shoulder screws holding the motor to the trunnion and in the neck of the base....are there a thumb screw and a set screw or just a single set screw holding the trunnion?

Kim, it has wing screws and the base has both a thumb and set screw although they are drilled on both sides of the flat spot. I saw the same positioning on Steve's full rib earlier in this thread. I originally thought the drill guy left his glasses at home that day but must be normal after seeing Steve's.

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That info is consistent with the characteristics for 1905. Sometime that year, they changed trunnion stem diameters from 5/8ths to 3/4ths. Not sure if that was when the brass wing bolts were phased out for the shoulder screws or if it was later.......

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Hi Kim, here is my contribution...
-1903 12" Stick, full rib, type AB, Form C, Volts 100/115, Cycles 60, Spec (nothing follows) Last patent June 25 1901, BB and 10 S wire wrapped BC, Four brass struts. SN 150157 Brass full wrap tag. My best guess the sn puts it around the end of march or so. In June of 1903 for both the trunion and stick base the bottom half of the base became smooth with a ribbed top. That is also when GE went to having only 3 struts from then on.

-1905 12" Trunion smooth bulb base, no form or type on the tag which is 3.5"X 5/8". BB, BC with 10 wrapped S wires. Volts 100/115 60 cycle SN: 232102 Which is approx Oct. 1905. Trunion pivot screws are brass the thumb tilt control thumb screw is cast iron.

I have a 1901 in transit to me at this time and will forward that info to you as soon as I can remember to do so...lol....

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Thanks Larry. PM sent...........

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1905 GE 16 inch (T) s/n 229183 100/115 v 60 cycle, 3 strut 4 wing stamped hub, replacement parallel ring Kidney cage. Brass wing bolts

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Hi Kim my G E pancakes  Thanks      Stick  12"  type U 1  form F 4  s/n 34272  volts 104  cycle 125  4 wing cast hub  10 wire cage Wrapped  no spec.                 Stick 12"   type AB   form A    s/n 85228  volts 108/115  cycle 60 4 wing cast hub 10 wire cage Pierced spec.17222            Stick 12"  type AB   form B   s/n 106666  volts 100/115  cycle 60  4 wing cast hub 10 wire cage Pierced spec. 30042             Stick 12"  type AB  form B   s/n  114207  volts 100/115 cycle 60 4 wing cast hub   10 wire cage Pierced no spec.

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Thanks Dennis. Check that spec number 80042 and confirm that it is an 8 and not a 3. I have two other '02's with spec numbers and they are 30043 and 30048.....

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Kim you are right it is 30042 sorry and Thanks 

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12" Smooth base (T) --- S/N 247075 --- Volts 100/115 --- Cycles 60 --- 3 struts --- No blade or cage info.

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Kim,

Info for a 1905 I found in the wild a couple of days ago:

217127, 100/115, 60 cy, 12", trunnion, desk, 4 wing, stamped hub, wing bolts,8 wire pierced back ring, 3 struts. Pretty complete fan, needs one trunnion to motor wing bolt and a switch knob/pointer.


Jim

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Thanks Henry and Jim.


Jim, I am happy to hear they are still being found in the wild...Ted makes the wing bolts. Cannot advise on the pointer...

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Have you found any consecutive serial numbers in this survey Kim?

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I have two pairs of consecutively numbered fans in my collection. One pair I didn't know about until I started doing the survey. There is another pair of numbered 1903 fans, but I got the information from one fan that was on a table at FF and didn't get it's owner's name. There are many fans that are just a few numbers apart. It's interesting to think that many of these fans were in the same room at the same time 109 or more years ago.


Please keep the information coming. Thanks, Kim

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12" (T) Full Rib --- Type AD --- Form C --- S/N 149908 --- Volts 100/115 --- Cycles 60 --- No Spec --- 4 struts --- No blade or cage info.

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12" (T) Half Rib --- Type AK --- Form D --- S/N 205696 --- Volts 100/115 --- Cycles 60 --- No Spec --- 3 struts --- No blade or cage info.


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Thanks Henry. General characteristics for the 1904 type AK form D are large brass tag early, then a change to the smaller tag. Interesting note is some of the smaller tags have the numbers 3187 or 3184 scratched on the back side. Bases are half ribbed. Early switches are round with metal adapter plates. Later the switches had ears cast into the body. Blades had a stamped brass hub and cages were mostly pierced rear ring. About 20 percent of cages in the survey for 1904 have wrapped rear rings. Motors are held to trunnion by brass wing bolts. Trunnion has a spring washer between it and the base, and the trunnion is held in place by one set screw. Your serial number is just out of sequence of what is considered the 1904 number span of 177501-205000. Voltage is 100/115 60 cycles for the most part in 1904, with three fans in the survey having different volts/cycles. The choke coils are held in place by brass straps early, then change to disks. Rotors have the brass spider early, then change to laminations with holes later. These are just general Characteristics for the 1904 model AK D. If anyone has something different, let me know so I can add it to the survey. Thanks again....

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You're a wealth of knowledge Kim. Mine lines up with all of the late '04 features. While I was looking the fan over I realized that I had 4 struts listed so I fixed the post. Copy and paste error.

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