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What a Monster!:shock::tumbs

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Henry Carrera wrote: I love everything about this project. You sure can produce a lot of work in a short period of time. Are you going to attempt a blade balance or good enough as is? I giggle thinking about lowering that behemoth on a Dubro prop balancer. :imao


LOL!  Actually we did that on an Ilg 423 that ended up with a broken and replaced blade tip...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJmD5IUTWT0


Bill Hoehn wrote:David,I have people here who balance ship' s propellers.  That should be easy for them! :clap:


Bill, I bet they would have no problems with the Sturtevant blower wheel.  It's not that heavy, actually! The blower didn't seem to have much vibration after all.

When I had the Ilg fan blade at the balance shop, they showed me some pictures of fans and ships propellers that were MASSIVE!


Michael Mirin wrote:What a Monster!:shock::tumbs

Thanks!  It is quite beastly! Hope to get some cleanup and bearing replacement done soon.

Ps - I'm trying using Google Chrome today and hoping my messages aren't garbled up as they have been lately.
Wish me luck as I press "Send"....

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I saw both of the balance videos. I watch all of your videos. :up: Did I see a quick shot of an Olds Aurora in one of your older videos? A '95 Aurora is my daily driver.

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Henry Carrera wrote: I saw both of the balance videos. I watch all of your videos. :up: Did I see a quick shot of an Olds Aurora in one of your older videos? A '95 Aurora is my daily driver.


Yes!  My dad has a 1995 Aurora. He bought it used with about 100,000 miles and has about 200,000 on it now. Had to rebuild the transmission last year and a paint job last year. Love the GM cars!

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I got mine from my dad when he passed in 2006. I keep waiting for the head studs to pull out of the block but so far so good. I had one overheat incident when the water pump belt broke.

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Today had a visit from a fellow fan of fans! We talked about Ilgs, Hunters, GE's, Westinghouses, and the Sturtevant.  Unfortunately, time was short but it was good to visit with a fellow enthusiast.

I didn't get a huge amount of work done on the Sturtevant blower. Did manage to do some paint prep and painting work.  The casting was a little rough in places, so I used a flap-disc grinding pad to remove the sharp edges.  Then put a coat or gloss black paint on it.



I plan to paint the inside of the housing with a red casting paint. For now I was just experimenting with the color of the exterior!


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Looks great! Just think what it was only a week ago. I'm guessing that you use a sprayer for most of your paint work? If so, curious about what kind of paint that you like to use.

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Henry Carrera wrote: Looks great! Just think what it was only a week ago. I'm guessing that you use a sprayer for most of your paint work? If so, curious about what kind of paint that you like to use.


Thanks!  I actually used Krylon in a spray can for this. More often I use Rust-Oleum in the spray can or with a brush or roller. Not much into painting!  It is a necessary evil for this hobby, though.

I got some parts ordered today. Have a set of 3 belts in hand, as well as the bearings for the blower shaft are ordered. Seems that Fafnir / Timken still sell that bearing under the same part number after all these years!


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David Allen wrote: Seems that Fafnir / Timken still sell that bearing under the same part number after all these years!
That is great! It is always nice to find the correct part.

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David,I prefer the flat paints for rough surfaces.  The gloss emphasizes the defects. 
I'm also wondering how far you are from St Louis---and if I can put a trailer hitch on my 2006 Dodge Magnum SRT-8? It is the same model and color and bought about the same time that the "father of the hemi" bought his (I forget his name --- in the middle of the night).  That car has almost 10,000 miles and I added a performance chip, forced cold air induction system, oil catch can, engine and transmission magnets among other "goodies". 
Got to get more sleep if these leg cramps stop.  Today is Laverne's visitation, Mass and interment. She wanted a pine box, but they refused.

I did it again ,so remove again, if you like moderators!

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Bill, I agree that flat paints do hide defects, but I want to use something that would look similar to the factory finish. These had a glossy black paint on them and came with many visible defects. After all, it is an industrial machine!

Today's Progress!

So; the bearings for the blower shaft haven't arrived yet.  I started teardown for the bearing replacement and some cosmetic work.  First, the inlet ring and blower wheel and shaft came out.


Then the super-rusted pulley had to come off. That took some persuasion in the form of a 20 ton hydraulic jack. 


The jack won.


You can see the layers of rust that sheared and slid against each other during the pressing-off.


Hydraulic power is a force to recon with......

Once getting the pulley and bearing off, the blower wheel got washed with the pressure wash to remove all loose rust and buildup. Then it got a heavy coat of semi-gloss black.


Then, I took the volute housing off the base and began cleaning it up.  Out of all the hardware, one bolt was broken. It looked like it had been partially cracked for a long time.


I got it out using "destructive methods" :evil


The motor had been removed from the skid earlier and painted gloss black. After it was mostly dry, I put highlights of gold paint-marker on the motor's raised lettering.




Also, the inlet cover of the blower got a little highlighting work.  I believe the black and gold look pretty good!


And that's how it sits today!

I received the power transformer today, but the VFD is not here yet. I still have to come up with a period-correct-looking control station for this display. Not quite sure yet what it will look like. I wanted to buy a vintage control station from the Lindale Mill site but they wanted to keep all the small items for movie props! 

Later,
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David,
I have many components of control stations, including some almost complete ones, slate, gauges,  knife switches,
vintage wire including lead covered.  I'll try to get some pictures and ship whatever you want and /or need!   Some are control stations for entire industrial plants!  They are huge and heavy.

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Bill ,
IF there is any Amish around  you can get a wood coffin from them!
Those undertakers are to greedy.
My dad ad mom are both in  wood  coffins here in MI.

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Bill Hoehn wrote: David,

I have many components of control stations, including some almost complete ones, slate, gauges,  knife switches,

vintage wire including lead covered.  I'll try to get some pictures and ship whatever you want and /or need!   Some are control stations for entire industrial plants!  They are huge and heavy.


Bill, I have located a simple yet complete control station. It has Start button, Stop button, a pilot light, and a 0-100% speed control.

Will show and have a video about it when I receive it. Will more than likely be after my next work assignment.



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David, the lettering looks amazing. How did you do that?

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Henry Carrera wrote: David, the lettering looks amazing. How did you do that?



Hi Henry. It was very easy!  First, I painted the whole part with gloss black enamel paint. After that had dried, I highlighted the lettering with a gold paint marker. The label has come off the marker so I can't give you the brand name.  I got these at Hobby Lobby in the arts and crafts section.

It's very important to be sure you get an "Oil Based" paint marker. They sell water based ones which are often disguised as "low odor" or some other such nonsense. These will not stick to the underlying paint.  The oil based ones are usually clearly marked as such.

I had originally bought a silver and a gold to refurbish the dash trim in my car. It has a raised bead that was originally silver but that had worn off. The paint marker worked great for that, too.

Hope this helps!

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Only nuts like us would take the time to restore what others would see as just old rusty junk. I'm glad this one didn't get scrapped and made into a Toyozuki hybrid.

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Richard Daugird wrote: Only nuts like us would take the time to restore what others would see as just old rusty junk. I'm glad this one didn't get scrapped and made into a Toyozuki hybrid.
LOL this is true!  I see it this way.... there are many very good restorers of desk and table fans.  The big fans seem to be overlooked and not as well represented here.  I just like things that are different. And I love powerful, old industrial stuff. Just something exciting about it.

When I was younger and was at museums or historical sites, I would always look at the old equipment and wonder how it ran and what it sounded like back in the day.  A real living piece of history is so much more meaningful than a static display sitting on a stand, cold and silent.  I want the things in my collection to be running displays. That way you can not only look at it, but start it up, hear it run, see what it really is like.


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I hear ya Dave. I have a fifty year old milling machine and a eighty five year old lathe, not to mention many other old(some VERY old) hand and power tools. 40-50 year old stereo equipment as well. And old bar signs. Don't get me started on old cars and motorcycles...

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That start up sound is awesome.

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Marce Clark wrote: That start up sound is awesome.
Thanks Marce!  I definitely like the startup sound of the Allis-Chalmers motor.

Today's Progress!

First, I got the volute housing re-installed on the base. It is very awkward and there is no easy way to strap it so that it hangs level! But I got it lined back up with the bolt holes. 

I decided to paint the inside of the blower housing with a lighter color paint than the exterior. I am familiar with other castings that have a dark red colored paint on the inside. It is often an oil-shedding coating. In this case, it doesn't have to be oil shedding, but I wanted the look. I believe it will make it easier to see the impeller and see how it is constructed when there is the contrast.


View with the impeller in there:



Next, the two half-rounds that surround the shaft go in. They are clamped between the stand and the hausing.



Now, the blower is about complete. Time to take the gold paint marker and highlight the lettering....


Even got the logo on the stand...


Need to do some more painting on the inside of the intake.


You can clearly see the blower wheel in contrast to the red cast primer!


And a video!  As you'll hear, cleaning the impeller and removing all the buildup made an improvement in the smoothness. There's not anymore big vibration.







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You are doing a great job. I am so happy that you are bringing this piece of history back from the dead.

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Don Tener wrote: You are doing a great job. I am so happy that you are bringing this piece of history back from the dead.


Thanks Don!  I do enjoy these sort of projects.

I'm going to be at a training class for a couple weeks. Hopefully when I get back the control station will be here!

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Richard, 
Also, a large metal lathe that has a foot treadle for power. The name and I believe patent dates are on it, but I haven't looked for a long time. I will, if you're interested, get that data.  It's in my garage!
 
It came out of Bar-Matic Products plant that my father-in-law started in his garage and ended up being about a city block, in Cleveland Ohio.  He had many patents, but their main product was suspension parts for everything from golf carts to large trucks.  They supplied Ford in the early days too.  
They competed with Moog and McQuay Norris (sp?). They did keep up production in small numbers for old cars when the "big boys" wouldn't be bothered.
 
My wife, Laverne, was their St. Louis representative!


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Here is a nice one on Ebay. Not as big as yours with no motor or belt pulley but pretty cool!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CLARAGE-INDUSTRIAL-CAST-IRON-Centrifugal-Fan-8-CI-1203-AR-GREEN-/162496194673?hash=item25d5872871:g:9C8AAOSwONBZBLRG




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Don Tener wrote: Here is a nice one on Ebay. Not as big as yours with no motor or belt pulley but pretty cool!



http://www.ebay.com/itm/CLARAGE-INDUSTRIAL-CAST-IRON-Centrifugal-Fan-8-CI-1203-AR-GREEN-/162496194673?hash=item25d5872871:g:9C8AAOSwONBZBLRG












Very nice!  Amazing that there is still New-Old-Stock machinery from this vintage around!


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I think we all need at least two of these! :hammer: :clap: :cool: :dude: :wondering:
Still can not post pictures unless I can go through scan/reprints---I'm missing so much!

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Bill Hoehn wrote: I think we all need at least two of these! :hammer: :clap: :cool: :dude: :wondering:

Still can not post pictures unless I can go through scan/reprints---I'm missing so much!


Agreed!  More of us should appreciate the big stuff. It is often forgotten, but it is what built industry as we know it.

What is your problem with pictures? I have been able to post them using Internet Explorer. What are you using to post?

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David,I have no idea---I'd have to ask my grandchildren, and, or my great grandchildren.  :hammer:
When I try, a message comes up about something being full. :hammer:

And I do believe that! :hammer:

But, of what? :hammer:

Oh well! :hammer:

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Bill Hoehn wrote: David,I have no idea---I'd have to ask my grandchildren, and, or my great grandchildren.  :hammer:
When I try, a message comes up about something being full. :hammer:

And I do believe that! :hammer:

But, of what? :hammer:

Oh well! :hammer:

I wonder if your picture gallery on this forum is full? Don't know if there is a limit but you have probably posted a lot of pictures over the years. Go to your gallery and try deleting some.

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Henry Carrera wrote:   wonder if your picture gallery on this forum is full? Don't know if there is a limit but you have probably posted a lot of pictures over the years. Go to your gallery and try deleting some.


I don't know about a gallery limit but it makes sense that it might have some sort of limit.

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Beautiful work David!  Just wonderful.  Love it.  Great job, and excellent videos, as per your usual.

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Evan Atkinson wrote: [size="4" abp="392"][color="#0000ff" abp="393"]Beautiful work David!  Just wonderful.  Love it.  Great job, and excellent videos, as per your usual.
Thanks Evan!  I hope to have a few more videos of the controls build and finished running display skid when I get home from work.

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David Allen wrote: Evan Atkinson wrote: Beautiful work David!  Just wonderful.  Love it.  Great job, and excellent videos, as per your usual.
Got a little progress today!

When I got home, UPS had brought some eBay purchases I made while holed up in a hotel in south FL. One of them was the control station I had ordered for this project.

The station has two analog pots in it. I will only need one pot; so I removed one of them and replaced it with a NOS General Electric pilot lamp. 



The NOS GE lamp is very well made. I took the upper 0-100% scale and flipped it over to make a legend plate for the pilot lamp.


The station is looking pretty good! Love the old vintage industrial look


Now, another dig in the scrap heap provided a piece of square pipe to make a mounting pedestal. I welded a nut inside the bottom, as well as a washer at the base for stability. It mounts to the skid rails just like the motor and blower, with a stud and nut.


The station mounted!  Note the conduit coming out the rear of the pedestal. That will go into the control cubicle between the skid rails.  My only worry is whether or not the pedestal will have a natural resinant frequency and wobble with the blower at certain speeds.  Time will tell. If it does, I can make a gusset to brace it against the blower bearing housing and make it more rigid.


On the down-side, the eBay seller who was supposed to send the VFD accidentally shipped the wrong item. They will be shipping the correct one tomorrow they say. That will prevent me from making more progress on this at this time.



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I like how in your video that the blower puts out so much air that it makes it so that the mic on your camera can't pick up any noise from the surrounding area like motor running or the sound of the blower running.

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Nice touch as usual David. This must be the week for eBay shipping mishaps. I went to a FedEx location to pick up my item from a seller in RI. I told her it was a heavy item and she knew exactly which one it was and pointed to a wooden crate with open sides. I saw a big V pulley, a series of flat belt step pulleys and a heavy cast iron motor mount. It was a drive assembly for a South bend Lathe. I told her that's not my item even though it had my name on it. Thank goodness it was in an open crate or I would have gotten a big surprise when I got it home. Meanwhile my heavy milling accessory made it all the way to Washington State but hadn't been delivered yet. The seller has been great sorting it all out and redirecting my package which is in Minnesota now but man that was an expensive mistake for him.

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What was the fans job back in the factory?
 Did it just blow air or  did it  blow  grain from a grinder?

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Charlie Forster wrote: What was the fans job back in the factory?
 Did it just blow air or  did it  blow  grain from a grinder?
 Well Charlie, seeing as this blower came from an old Cotton Mill I think it was used to keep the floor of the mill free of cotton debris.

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Henry Carrera wrote: Nice touch as usual David. This must be the week for eBay shipping mishaps. I went to a FedEx location to pick up my item from a seller in RI. I told her it was a heavy item and she knew exactly which one it was and pointed to a wooden crate with open sides. I saw a big V pulley, a series of flat belt step pulleys and a heavy cast iron motor mount. It was a drive assembly for a South bend Lathe. I told her that's not my item even though it had my name on it. Thank goodness it was in an open crate or I would have gotten a big surprise when I got it home. Meanwhile my heavy milling accessory made it all the way to Washington State but hadn't been delivered yet. The seller has been great sorting it all out and redirecting my package which is in Minnesota now but man that was an expensive mistake for him.

That is a mess! I hate it when I am expecting something I need to complete a project and think I have it and it's not correct. That sort of machinery part is an expensive shipping mistake, as you said.

I had a transformer shipped to me that was supposed to be sent to my home but was held for pickup at a freight company in another town because "we can't get a truck in your neighbourhood" and "you don't have a loading dock." The shipper had strapped the transformer to a full size wooden pallet. Could have gone in a box!
Levi Mevis wrote:I like how in your video that the blower puts out so much air that it makes it so that the mic on your camera can't pick up any noise from the surrounding area like motor running or the sound of the blower running.

Yes, I think the air pressure just overwhelms the microphone with pressure and it just can't make a signal from that constant pressure, instead of a fluctuating sound wave.

Charlie Forster wrote:What was the fans job back in the factory?
 Did it just blow air or  did it  blow  grain from a grinder?


I am not completely sure, however it was used to convey some material. There is no reason for a 15 HP motor on that unless it is used for material handling.  Being a textile mill and a cotton gin, it was more than likely handling cottonseed. I don't think it would have worked well with textile scraps, because it seems to catch any sort of cloth I try to blow through it. That would clog it. But small things like cottonseed would go through no problem. It wasn't used for general ventilation. The guy in charge of the historic site didn't know exactly what it was used for. He was more into the preservation of the site than the processes which had been used.

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David ,
 Super nice job on the restore.
I was just curious  what it did.
 I have a couple old hammer mills for grinding grain and the grain goes through the blower.

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