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Both from 1910



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Engineering Review - Volume 20 - Page 101
https://books.google.com/books?id=1toxAQAAMAAJ
1910 - ‎Read - ‎More editions
Sprague Electric Fans, 1910, are illustrated and described in Catalogue 321, issued by the Sprague Electric Co., New York. In addition to its former line of Fan Motors, the Sprague company is offering this season an 8-inch D. C. Hinge Joint Desk and Bracket Fan which for many uses will be found more desirable than fans having 12-inch and 16-inch blades.


https://books.google.com/books?id=1toxAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA5-PA101&dq=sprague+8+inch+dc+fan+motor&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_09jWuOTXAhVq4oMKHZe-Cg0Q6AEIRjAG#v=onepage&q=sprague%208%20inch%20dc%20fan%20motor&f=false

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Psssssssssssssssst......when did Sprague Electric get swallowed up by the GENERAL ELECTRIC?  1902......OR.....?

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OK, I'll bite.







   Or..... when?

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Frank A. Sprague, 1905

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Russ, I thought perhaps you had information disputing the 1902 date... my misunderstanding. That's comprehensive reporting on your part, Mike... really thorough following of the story's trail. Here's the "official" change, from Christian Science Monitor 27 May 1911:







   Here's an addendum to the tenth post from the New York Herald, 16 May 1920:





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Steve Rockwell wrote: Russ, I thought perhaps you had information disputing the 1902 date... my misunderstanding.That's what Mike is hammering away on.  Just what was the absorption status of  the Sprague concern in 02 as opposed to the official notice of 11. :D

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In 1902 GE took control of Sprague Electric stocks & bonds. In 1911 GE took title to the properties of Fort Wayne and Sprague. Companies dissolved. 

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Electrical Review 2 May 1903



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Trow City Directory... New York




1901... including E.H. Johnson... of course












1906... Nominally independent, official resources greatly diminished, altered cast of characters










1909












1915 






If you can get access, see "Engineering Invention" Frederick Dalzell p. 201, and the preceding few pages.














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Oct. 97 Sprague absorption of IC.  Notice the GM is Sprague. Notice NY IC was moved under the roof of Sprague Electric in NJ.


Notice Lundell appears to be exempt from management.  Bobby must of dug engineering electrical gizmos and pumping iron at the YMCA. :D 

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Lundell appears to have been a WELL respected consulting engineer, his own man working for the man. Unless I missed something Lundell's fan motor patents to Johnson IC and Sprague IC are 2/3s to the man, 1/3 to the Lundell.  :D

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Wut year is this? I dub this the coffin back Sprague!!





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"Coffin back Sprague"? Where did you pull that name from???? I guess it is another case of the strange workings of the mind of a genius!

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Wow, nice work George. The moment I saw this fan I thought of a casket.
You need a little window on it to complete the image. And you can view the gears moving...

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It is Doc's fan he snagged on a buy it now!!!I said that gear box looks Like a coffin! I asked if I could pick a name for it and every one present said sure... We were remarking it did look like a casket... So....  I said, "i dub thee the coffin back Sprague!!"
Woo Hoo! I Nick named a fan! At least I can now add that to my bio!!😀😁😂🤣😃😄😄

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Bingo!......the Sprague 1910 8" was marketed either for AC ..or...DC

Sprague 1910 8" image.  No clarifying DC or AC or both.

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George Durbin wrote: Wut year is this? I dub this the coffin back Sprague!!09 model was the first OPTIONAL oscillator sporting NO badge on the guard in electrical trade. 1910 was the first image of the Sprague guard badge.  1912 offers a change in the brush holders, whatever that was?  1917-18 Sprague rounded the ends of the blades and changed the guard.  1909 models - 1918 offered the optional "use a screwdriver" removeable  gearbox Doc Dunaway is busy with.Lundell would have the record for his unchanged DC fan motor design using one field coil spanning 1892-1918.  Count em.....26 years of the Swedish wonder boy fan motor from Bobby Lundell :clap: :D

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1924 Leftover stock?

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Mike Kearns wrote: 1924 Leftover stock?


Yes.  Read the bottom right hand paragraph of the 21 electrical trade image.

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This fan was manufactured somewhere between 1910-16. No badge on the guard in 09, and changed guard and rounded wing tips implemented in 17.

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That is amazing if you think about it.  :wondering:  Sprague/Lundell must of had a h ell of a reputation to be able to sell DC fan motors without an optional 12" or 16"  AC fan motor all the way to 1918.  Lundell's 12" and 16" AC option was short lived 1895-1901. Why was that??


Globe/Paragon DC only fan motors bit the dust with a decade run 1895-05/06.


Crescent DC only fans motors spanned 1896-1910-11.


Eck's DC only fan motors spanned 1894-12 and ended in 1913 with the introduction of the Eck AC induction fan motor.

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  I'd like to see this thread continue, perhaps some other owners will chime in... the Sprague story really interests me, and it would be great to see more fans like that in the 27th, 28th, 33d & 36th post.



....."rounded the ends of the blades and changed the guard"... because a portion of regular GE production was being shifted to Sprague (see below), and the origin of those Sprague Works of the General Electric Forms T, V & W fans?




19 Jun 1917




  12 Jul 1917






AND






 I'm wondering if this










   was an inspiration and pattern for this   












or is the second merely a further development of this (never seen the "guts" of a round back)?




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Steve Rockwell wrote:   I'd like to see this thread continue, perhaps some other owners will chime in... the Sprague story really interests me, and it would be great to see more fans like that in the 27th, 28th, 33d & 36th post.





Terry Fisher's example in the first two images.  I "THINK"(not gospel) Terry's and Geoff's examples date 12-16.  This is based on they share the same brush arrangements fitted into the CAST  IN INDENTATION on the rear housing. Clearly stated in electrical trade 1912 changes involved the brushes.

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Jim Dunn's example represents Sprague Lundell fan motors used up to 1906.



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