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 Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2018 03:30 am
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Trevor Soundararajan
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Last week I happened to have the good fortune of acquiring this mint Century S4 Sidegear Oscillator in the cornfields of Illinois.  I've never seen original paint look this good, and the 6-pole motor makes this the quietest fan I own.  I don't generally get emotional about fans, but this one has a serious hold on my heartstrings.  

........Seriously though, how many beers in was the engineer who developed this?

-Mr. T































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 Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2018 03:52 am
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Lucas Beshara
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Holy crap dude!  Winner for fan magnet goes to you!

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One very impressive fan, congratulations.

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Trevor Soundararajan wrote: and the 6-pole motor makes this the quietest fan I own. 


You have a 2 wire head cord. That suggests your fan is a split phase, or centrifugal start mechanism motor with a separate start winding. Your fan has 5 speeds. The lowest speed would have to be fast enough to keep the mechanism from engaging the start winding.  Are you sure you have a 6 pole motor?

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Awesome find however, looks like a 4 pole motor the only
Way is to turn it on and see how fast it goes cam always get a 4 wing
To see as well any century skeletal blade will fit 3/8 shaft.

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 Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2018 06:34 am
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Trevor Soundararajan
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It was described to me as 6-pole, but who knows.  It's RPM seems much slower than any comparable 4-pole 4-wing sidegear, especially on speed 5.  Truth be told, I don't really care.  I just love it.

-Mr. T

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That’s sure a great looking fan. Congrats!

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 Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2018 04:59 pm
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Trevor Soundararajan wrote: I don't really care.  I just love it.




That's what it's all about, loving it.  :D  My post was not intended to challenge your, or your fans integrity, I am trying to find the TRUTH as to if Century made a FACTORY wound 6 pole residence fan motor, OR.....did Century, like Menominee,  offer a 6 wing 4 pole motor residence fan motor to compete with manufacturers such as Westinghouse, GE, Emerson, who in fact had 6 wing residence fans motors with 6 pole motors. 


Using a strobe with a digital readout you can freeze the blade clocking the RPM.  If in fact your windings are factory and the blade freezes on full current at roughly 1150 RPM you have the real deal.  Westinghouse offered centrifugal mechanism start 6 pole residence fan motors.


I can trace Century offering 6 wing blade residence desk fan motors back to 14.  What I am trying to validate is did Century use 6 pole motors to drive these 6 wing fans? 











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Your fan appears to be a later S4 model.  I believe your base pivot casting design to have been used in 12-13. This is based on a Pillsbury fan motor patent filed and issued in 12. In 1914 Century appears to have dropped the use of the cast base and changed overall design. 


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Trevor,  I believe you posted the later 6 wing S3 Century you owned below the S4 in past?  Can you post an image of your two 6 wing Century desk fans side by side?   :clap:

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Russ Huber
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Russ Huber wrote: Trevor,  Can you post an image of your two 6 wing Century desk fans side by side?   :clap:


https://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/22335.html

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Here's my question, lets see if it makes sense to members in the AFCA.  ..............


Why would you waste the copper winding a 6 pole motor in a ..........5 speed fan?  But, as the  Dunaway would say...."Never say never".  :D

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Smoking hot fan!! Fantastic find!! I'll trade you my S3 Model 15 skeletal for it. Haha

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Trevor
Beautiful fan.  Outstanding find. 


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Trevor Soundararajan
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Russ,

No worries man, we good!  I wish I could provide pics of the other 6-wing S3 I had, but sadly I sold it years ago!  College expenses were not kind to me.  


Thank you all so much for the kind comments.  


-Mr. T

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Trevor Soundararajan wrote: I wish I could provide pics of the other 6-wing S3 I had, but sadly I sold it years ago!  

So who was the lucky AFCA member to buy it?  :clap:

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:clap:Great find Trevor. :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Geoff Dunaway wrote:    There was a 6 wing sidegear that Jack Johnson had in Desoto Texas17-18 years ago. Not sure where that fan ever landed. I also have an early Century stationary fan , S-3 , bought just outside of Wentzville MO from an old estate. You can see this one in the middle row of fans.


https://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/22335.html


Can anyone validate that any of these 6 wing Century fan motors either early cast base or later drawn steel base had a FACTORY 6 pole motors?  It's easy to strobe one with a digital read out and clock the blade speed running on full wall current.  If the fan blade while strobing freezes at roughly 1150 RPM there is answer. 1550+ RPM you have a 4 pole. There are enough examples out there to confirm if these 6 wing examples were 4 or 6 pole.  There is no doubt Century was offering 6 wing residence desk fans.  This is supported by electrical trade.

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Does anyone out here own Trevor's first later model Century 6 wing serial 8198 he claims he sold years back?  Can anyone validate it to have a 6 pole motor? I don't recall it being sold on the BST? If he sold it on Ebay, being a 6 wing I would think someone in the club nabbed it?


CENTURY ELEC CO

VOLTS: 110   CYCLES: 60

TYPE:  S3     No. 8198 

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What is the function of all these gears? Three oscillation speeds? 

It looks like a motorcycle transmission. 

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Great fan find Trevor,  Got to love it yes! Over engineered probably, but 6-blade fans are excellent. S-3 , S4's are sweet running motors , and that one is mint. I am not jealous , OK maybe a little. Congtrats.

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Geartrain reminds me of the old Harley Davidson JDs.

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Trevor; I love that fan!  You have made a great find there!

As for the geartrain - WOW is all I can say at that!

Does it have multiple ratios for different oscillation speeds? Just can't see why it would need that many gears in there. 

Assuming you can't see into the motor, or can't see the winding configuration; there is another way to figure out poles, without taking the fan apart. To figure out the number of poles in the motor, you can use a photo tach. Run the fan on high and see what the RPM is.  In general, you can break it down to these speeds (for 60 hz):

2-pole synchronous speed is 3600 RPM. Anything below that but above 1800 RPM would be a 2-pole.

4-pole synchronous speed is 1800 RPM. Anything below that but above 1200 RPM would be a 4-pole.

6-pole synchronous speed is 1200 RPM. Anything below that but above 900 RPM would be 6-pole.

8-pole synchronous speed is 900 RPM. And on down it goes. But the above should cover desk fans! :)

Sincerely,
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I think the multiple gears in the back are for strength personally, I don't see how the different gears would engage or disengage. The S4 motor is huge, a single gear might not hold up although there's only one worm gear.


 


As for the speed to test the poles, could the coil be used to slow the speed even in the high position?

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Jim McCarter images(clean shots).


8 gears in the rear box alone counting the rotor shaft worm(missing in the image).

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Michael Rathberger wrote:

I think the multiple gears in the back are for strength personally, 


I wouldn't want to be the brass gear driven by the rotor shaft worm.  :D

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There is a set of "sneaky sneaky" gears (#9 and #10) inside the housing just above the oscillating wheel transferring the drive from the rear 8 over to the visible sidegears   

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The 4 visible side gear transfer.

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You can see one of the "sneaky sneaky"  gears on the far right shaft connected to one of the side gears. 

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Does anyone know if the 12 inch and 16 inch have the same size motor and gear set?

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And the final 2 underside exposed bevel gears to add up to a total of 16.

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The side gear patent from Edwin Pillsbury was assigned MESNE to Charles Dilg in 12.  Dilg was Eck Dynamo US concern management starting 07. Eck went back to Sweden.

Dilg was into his own cutlery business and had a hotel related fan motor line of his own it appears when the Pillsbury patent MESNE patent was filed. Guess what DILG was heavy on in his own cutlery machinery and a fan motor related patent assigned to Eck Dynamo in 08??..............gears and gears and........beveled gears. It is my personal impression that CHARLES DILG played a big part working with Pillsbury designing the S4 oscillation drive train. Keep in mind Pillsbury worked for C&C and Holtzer Cabot out east before settling in St. louis. Pillsbury and Dilg probably did coffee and donuts together in the 90s.



 




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The quiet operation and that geartrain are impressive! Reminds me of a Ford Top Loader gearbox.

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Duane Burright wrote: The quiet operation and that geartrain are impressive! Reminds me of a Ford Top Loader gearbox.
No such thing as too
many gears...





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Does the power pass through the gears like this?

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This oscillator gearbox reminds me of this:



That is a John Deere "Funk" DF250 11 speed powerfhift transmission!

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