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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 12:55 pm
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Kim Frank
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    The fan model that will be for the 2018 Monty Young Best Restoration Contest (BFOTY) is the General Electic 12 inch stationary AUU 34017. If you're not familiar with this model, it is the stationary counterpart to the loop handle AOU 75423. It is the model that came after the SMY. There are no examples in the Galleries but if you look in the General Electric pre -1920, Don Eckerson has a residential (6 wing blade)version of the fan. It is listed as 12" SB/SC Non Osc Cat 76363. Maybe someone can post a picture of the fan, as we don't have one in the museum either.....
    Last year's entry fan was the Emerson 29646. The participants were Rick Hill, Eddie Frank, Dan O'Toole, and Mike Mirin. Over $2000 was raised for the AFCA.
   If you want to test your restoration skills against other restorers, let me know. These fans are pretty common and don't cost a lot. Chad Baker has two or three available. Let me know by June 1st. Awards will be given for Best Fan and Most money raised.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 05:04 pm
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Steve Stephens
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Here is an early, c.1917, GE 12" AUU Cat. No. 34017.   The same model was made to the end of the 1930s I think.










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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 05:12 pm
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William Dunlap
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I have one that is an AVV which aside from steel blades, seems to be identical to this one. (one of my best running fans, BTW, and can balance a nickel on it.)

Maybe include this type as well?

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Bill

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 08:31 pm
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Kim Frank
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Thank you Steve.


William, I am not familiar with AVV. Sure it doesn't read AUU?

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 09:05 pm
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I got this from George. He was supposed to send me a little Quiet Blade, but I got this instead. What a guy.  Maybe he knows more about it than me. Super cool fan. It has the same catalog number.
Cheers,
Bill
010 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 09:30 pm
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George Durbin
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Hi Bill!
Thnx for the kind words! I try to over deliver and not under promise... 😁😁😁

Geo...

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 10:09 pm
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Good choice, Kim. 

#34017... first catalogued 1905, gone by 1939, possibly '38...the longest-duration of any fan, I believe, beats brother 75423 by a couple years.


   I work strictly off catalog numbers, serial numbers, and form designations, in that order; Type info is of no particular use to me, I don't understand it, the photos above are a good illustration why. Here's another to muddy the waters:








 Type AV, if it doesn't show clearly...
   Bill, can you provide serial number and the Form alpha-numeral on that one pictured?


If anyone can seriously explain the Types, including the absence/inclusion of a third letter, it would be interesting to know.....

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2018 11:27 pm
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William Dunlap
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Here's the serial number and form.

014 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

Cheers,
Bill

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 Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2018 02:00 am
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This is awesome. I do have a 34017 that has been sitting on my shelf for a while, so it's tempting. But not sure I can compete with that competition! If nobody else enters maybe I could get first place (and last place) in the rookie of the year award? HaHa.

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Thanks Bill. 

   Looking at tag photos and the letters and numbers I've collated, Type AV clearly precedes Type AU, and it appears that AU came into being in the 1917-1918 period, and may indicate not a change in the mounting to base, but rather the most recent shrinking (Undersizing) of motor diameters... 
  
  Type AP (trunnion-model) precedes the others, of course... and what AVV and AUU signify will be the next question.




   Back to you, Kim... post-SMY they appear essentially similar, so what range of years would qualify for the contest?

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 Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2018 12:02 pm
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Interesting stuff. AV...AU...AVV...AUU. If it's the stationary 12 inch GE 34017 or it's residential counterpart, then bring it on. We decide on one model of fan to keep a level playing field. It's up to the restorer's talent to make it competitive.


Jamie, nothing to fear. Do your best and bring it to FF. All attendees are given one vote to cast for what they think is the best resto....Then all entries are auctioned off at the banquet and the fan that raises the most money is awarded a plaque. Can I count you in?

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 Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2018 05:30 pm
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You can literally tear down one of these mid to late teens stationary GE cast iron boat anchors with motor and blade within 1/2 hour using a screwdriver(s), needle nose pliers, wire snips, and a small section of PVC pipe(fits inside stator to tap out the stator out of the housing.  After the rear bell is removed you either use a stiff razor blade edge between the bearing cap and casting to work it off, or......take a unsharped pencil and stick the eraser end into the bearing hole and tap the other end of the pencil on the table top holding the bell in your hand, pencil in other to pop the press fit bearing cap off. 











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Stick the tips of the needle nose pliers into the opposing slots of the threaded bearing retaining ring and turn.........LEFTY LOOSEY. This will release the self adjusting brass bearing held within by the retaining ring.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2018 05:42 pm
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No excuses for you rookies or wanna bees. There should be over 100 entries in this contest because GE made these teens/early 20s 34017s by the bushel basket. Most of them have a 2 wire head cord coming from a 4 SHADED pole motor.  Easy peasy for the wanna bee.  :clap: :D

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Pssssssssssst.......once the stator is out you can use a small drift punch coming inside the housing from a angle and tap the tag retaining rivets out to release the tag for painting if necessary.

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I agree, these are dead simple, no oscillator to worry about. In fact, they're almost as easy as an Emerson to restore.
So go for it.
Also, these don't have that annoying hum or whine that other GE's have. Well, at least mine doesn't.
Excellent speed separation, rugged and robust construction. No wonder they were made for so long.

Cheers,
Bill

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William Dunlap wrote: Excellent speed separation, rugged and robust construction. No wonder they were made for so long.


The stationary and its counterpart bell oscillator sport 1/4" thick iron castings encasing not only motor and switch simplicity, GE left out the weakest link for a change.  These fans were made for longevity.  Fact Jack.  

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I have AOUs and AUUs (and a buch of IOUs!). I figured the "O" is for oscillate, not sure on the Us, or Vs.

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I'll enter this one . I should win no matter what!  :tease

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Kim,

I guess you've talked me into it. I'm not sure I have the horsepower to compete with that group but no harm in trying!

Jamie

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Yeah, maybe, if you can make them spin at, say a lazy 1100 rpm.

I found the youtube video of this guy molesting this fan. I left extremely negative comments....he's done it to several fans and Atwater Kent radio speakers, too.

Probably not productive, though. He probably likes all attention, good or bad.

Jamie. Go for it. It's all for a good cause.

Cheers,
Bill

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William Dunlap wrote: Yeah, maybe, if you can make them spin at, say a lazy 1100 rpm.

I found the youtube video of this guy molesting this fan. I left extremely negative comments....he's done it to several fans and Atwater Kent radio speakers, too.

Probably not productive, though. He probably likes all attention, good or bad.

Jamie. Go for it. It's all for a good cause.

Cheers,
Bill
Dont worry. Fans are not the only thing being ruined. Rare candlestick phones, radios, and someone told me they saw someone turn a vintage pressed steel toy into a lamp. Someone needs to do one for lamp collectors. Like turn a prized Tiffany Studios lamp into a fan. :tease

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Okay, we're about three months out from FanFair Asheville. I'd like to get a head count for the entrants into the Best Fan of the Year restoration contest. As I have it now, Jamie Williams, Eddie Frank, Rick Hill, and myself are the only participants. Last year, the three participants in the BFOTY contest raised over $2000 for the AFCA. These guys, Rick Hill, Dan O'Toole, and Eddie Frank, along with the Raffle Fan, brought in over $8000, which made the difference between FanFair operating in the red or black. This year, Antique Fan Parts.com has donated three fans for the BFOTY, along with providing the Eck Hurricane as the raffle fan. I hope we can have a few more participants this year. If you want to join in for some friendly competition, let me know and I'll add you to the list. You can also sponsor someone by providing them with a 12 inch GE stationary 34017 AUU and letting them restore it. Just as last year, there will be two plaques awarded. One for best restoration, as voted on by attendees to Fan Fair and one for most money raised in the auction during the banquet. Thanks....Kim

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