AFCA Forums Home
Home Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register

 Moderated by: Steve Cunningham, Rod Rogers, Larry Hancock
New Topic Reply Printer Friendly
My first Pancake  Rate Topic 
AuthorPost
 Posted: Fri May 4th, 2018 12:53 am
  PMQuoteReply
1st Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
I have restored a number of fans but this my first Pancake, up until I received it I had never even see one up-close and personal. The fan is in good shape, I cleaned and stripped it and checked every thing out. I bought with out a switch, speed coil or power block for the base. I have ordered all but the switch, still looking.  Can someone show a picture or a diagram that how the head wires connect to the insulated terminals in the back of the motor case. There is piece missing on the back of the badge and I don't know what or how if attaches. It is not like the drop ring on my BMY that is cramped in place. Any help would be appreciated








Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Fri May 4th, 2018 01:02 am
  PMQuoteReply
2nd Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Congratulations on your first pancake.   I don't think your badge is missing anything like a backing plate.   I've had a few like this 1904 model (16") and both were like this but one had a stiffening ring around the inside.  By 1906 or 07 the badge had a backing plate crimped into place.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri May 4th, 2018 01:13 am
  PMQuoteReply
3rd Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Thanks Steve, Also is there so kind of washer that goes between the yoke and the motor?

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Fri May 4th, 2018 05:09 am
  PMQuoteReply
4th Post
Tom Morel
AFCA Member


Joined: Sun Dec 25th, 2011
Location: Long Beach, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Yes, it should be ribbed washer in between the yoke and the motor. Nice first cake. My first was a half ribbed '05.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri May 4th, 2018 11:06 am
  PMQuoteReply
5th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Thanks Tom!

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat May 5th, 2018 07:53 pm
  PMQuoteReply
6th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Need less to say I am having a hard time finding a switch, looked at the one on eBay that has a repaired crack it. I do know about that. Maybe some of you that have seen the switch on eBay  could tell me what you think!

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat May 5th, 2018 08:13 pm
  PMQuoteReply
7th Post
William Dunlap
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri Jan 31st, 2014
Location: Pukalani(hole In Heaven), Hawaii USA
Status: 
Offline
I'm installing a 6 position rotary switch in mine until the repros are available. I'm not interested in a broken switch and apparently no one else is either.

Cheers,
Bill

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat May 5th, 2018 08:50 pm
  PMQuoteReply
8th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
William, That's what I was thinking. 250.00 is a lot for something that may come apart or not work at all. You something about repos, Is some one planning on making some? 

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat May 5th, 2018 09:56 pm
  PMQuoteReply
9th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
The wrapping on the winding is in great shape but I want to freshen up. What can I coat it with to make look better?

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat May 5th, 2018 09:56 pm
  PMQuoteReply
10th Post
Tom Newcity
AFCA Member


Joined: Sun Nov 27th, 2005
Location: Fort Smith
Status: 
Offline
Bobby,  I don't do much with GEs, but I always make diagrams on the parts that I work on.  Here is diagram that may help you along the way.  Good luck.

Tom N.

Attached Image (viewed 407 times):

GE 1905 pancake wiring diagram.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat May 5th, 2018 10:43 pm
  PMQuoteReply
11th Post
Levi Mevis
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Feb 24th, 2015
Location: Elkhart, Indiana USA
Status: 
Offline
Your fan will need more than just a switch, it will also need a speed coil donut, the mounting hardware for the speed coil, and it will also need the headwire thumbscrews and terminal strips for wiring the leads from the fan motor to the headwire thumbscrews and all of that stuff will be not very easy to come by, the fact that someone chose to directly wire the power cord to the motor and remove the original wiring thumbscrews from the back of the motor instead of wiring a cord to those thumbscrews just shows that whoever did the hack "repair job" on this fan knew nothing about what they were doing and also didn't care that they were significantly devaluing the fan and yet still chose to ask a ton of money for a nearly gutted fan. That just disgusts me when people who know nothing about what they have and try to "fix" the item in question and then try to get someone to by their "repaired" item at nearly 10 times what they paid for it and in a condition that was a lot worse than when they got it... What a rip-off, you'll end up sinking more than what the fan's worth just to right all of the previous owners mistakes, so you'll be left with a fan that you can't even make money off of if you were to try and resell it later on...
Hopefully you don't run into this guy again because he definitely ripped you off and who knows how many other people he's done this to. This definitely will be a learning lesson for the books.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sun May 6th, 2018 12:05 am
  PMQuoteReply
12th Post
William Dunlap
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri Jan 31st, 2014
Location: Pukalani(hole In Heaven), Hawaii USA
Status: 
Offline
Things like reproduction switches take time, so be patient. As far as I know, the project is partially complete at this point, though. Maybe a couple more months? Hard to tell.

I got my coil from Sartron. I paid exactly 75.26 for a five speed coil shipped via priority mail. It took about 2 weeks.
They send this diagram along with it.
002 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

 It's probably a good compliment to the schematic above as it shows the physical relationship of the parts.

Cheers,
Bill

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sun May 6th, 2018 03:01 am
  PMQuoteReply
13th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Thank you Tom and Bill, I have a new speed coil on the from Sartron and I have everything else but the switch. Thanks for the schematics, very helpful.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sun May 6th, 2018 03:08 am
  PMQuoteReply
14th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Levi, I did not get ripped off. I new just what I was getting a 1904 Pancake with good motor,cage,and petty nice blade.Its going to a great fan.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Mon May 7th, 2018 12:12 pm
  PMQuoteReply
15th Post
Kim Frank
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location: Whitestown, USA
Status: 
Offline
If I was putting together a Pancake, I'd probably take a closer look at that ebay switch. It has been repaired, but that's not a deal breaker. I have repaired many porcelain switch bodies. That one just wasn't touched up. It looks like it has jumpers on it to make it work as a two speed but that's easily changed back.
    As far as the new switches, months ago I sent the switch components that I had left over from the 2010 switch project to someone who said they wanted to start making them. They can use those samples to have the bits and pieces water jetted. I also gave them the contact info for getting the switch bodies made. Those bodies are made from ceramic impregnated urethane. Much more forgiving than the original bodies and don't shatter if overtightened or dropped. They only have to make the springs and machine the switch shafts, bushings, and pointer holders to have everything to build a switch. Hopefully they'll come to fruition soon.....but as far as the ebay switch....a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush....

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Mon May 7th, 2018 01:13 pm
  PMQuoteReply
16th Post
Dave McManaman
AFCA Member


Joined: Sat Apr 22nd, 2017
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska USA
Status: 
Offline
Nice looking fan. I’m still searching for my first pancake. Best wishes finishing yours up!

Last edited on Mon May 7th, 2018 01:14 pm by Dave McManaman

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Mon May 7th, 2018 05:44 pm
  PMQuoteReply
17th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Thanks Kim for your input, I am still looking into it. It runs great wired direct, but that not the it remain. I like to mock the fans up before I paint make sure its together right.
Bobby

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Mon May 7th, 2018 05:48 pm
  PMQuoteReply
18th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Hi Dave, Like I said until I received this pancake I had never seen one only pictures. Neat fans! Love them

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Tue May 8th, 2018 02:49 am
  PMQuoteReply
19th Post
Tom Morel
AFCA Member


Joined: Sun Dec 25th, 2011
Location: Long Beach, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Hardly a rip off unless you paid big time. Pancake parts are worth a lot of $$.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Tue May 8th, 2018 02:54 am
  PMQuoteReply
20th Post
Levi Mevis
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Feb 24th, 2015
Location: Elkhart, Indiana USA
Status: 
Offline
Well When I posted my rant I didn't realize that he understood that he was getting a nearly gutted fan and from what I was reading in some of the posts on here it seemed like people were saying that the fan was going to take a lot more work than it was worth to get it going again because of the fact that the switch isn't readily available and a few other things that were wrong with it. I didn't realize that the OP was planning on this fan being a long term project (because usually most people on here who buy old fans like this begin restoring right away and usually get the work done within a couple of week's times or so).

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Tue May 8th, 2018 03:52 am
  PMQuoteReply
21st Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
All is well, I just wanted to set the record straight. I think I got a fair deal, like I said earlier You don't see fans like in south TX. Someone told me it may be because we did not get electric power until much later than up north. Just happy to be in the game!


Bobby   

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Tue May 8th, 2018 03:55 am
  PMQuoteReply
22nd Post
Levi Mevis
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Feb 24th, 2015
Location: Elkhart, Indiana USA
Status: 
Offline
which would make sense because during the time period these GE Pancakes were being Made Texas and other parts of the US near there were still part of Mexico which would probably explain why Texas didn't get electricity right away, if I remember right.

Last edited on Tue May 8th, 2018 03:55 am by Levi Mevis

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Tue May 8th, 2018 07:36 pm
  PMQuoteReply
23rd Post
Richard Daugird
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Sep 12th, 2017
Location: Texas City, Between Hou. & Galveston, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Unless you are a stickler for perfect restorations, you can get a Variac(make sure it's the correct amperage) from eBay for around $50 and have constantly variable speed, not just five. That's what I did with pretty much every fan that I use as runners, weather they have operable switches or not.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Tue May 8th, 2018 07:43 pm
  PMQuoteReply
24th Post
Richard Daugird
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Sep 12th, 2017
Location: Texas City, Between Hou. & Galveston, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Levi Mevis wrote: which would make sense because during the time period these GE Pancakes were being Made Texas and other parts of the US near there were still part of Mexico which would probably explain why Texas didn't get electricity right away, if I remember right.Actually, we became independent of Mexico in 1836, and joined the Union in 1845, starting a war with Mexico. We then succeded from the union and joined the Confederacy in 1861. Civil war, etc. We did have electricity in the 1880s, but rural areas didn't have it wide spread until the 1930s.

Last edited on Tue May 8th, 2018 07:45 pm by Richard Daugird

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed May 9th, 2018 07:58 am
  PMQuoteReply
25th Post
Levi Mevis
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Feb 24th, 2015
Location: Elkhart, Indiana USA
Status: 
Offline
sounds a lot like how Indiana was, the bigger cities had electricity in the 1880s and 1890s but the rural areas of Indiana didn't get electricity until the 1930s or even 1950s in some areas, in fact most rural areas of Indiana if they had electricity it was through a Delco Generator which was 32 VDC. my grandparents house which was built in 1920 by my Great-Grandpa Poland who owned a hardware store back in the day, was the first house in Marshall County Indiana to have electricity (32 VDC Delco Generator in the Basement of his house) and indoor plumbing, and then my great-great-great grandpa Lawrence who built a large 4-square style brick farmhouse with coupula on top in 1881 was the first house in DeKalb County, Indiana to have Indoor Plumbing and Electricity. In fact Wabash, Indiana was the first city in Indiana to be electrified in the 1880s and the city of Wabash, Indiana used arc lighting as their first lighting source, before finally switching to incandescent in the 1920s.  

Last edited on Wed May 9th, 2018 08:02 am by Levi Mevis

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 08:56 pm
  PMQuoteReply
26th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
I finally finished my 1904 Pancake, I found all the parts ( switch, knob, pointer and speed coil) then had to deal with a total hip replacement and rehab. I put the switch in today and wired it up, works great. Thanks to Darryl Hudson,Mike Petree, Chad Baker, Larry White, Ted Kaczor, Kim Frank and others for parts and information.





 

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 10:14 pm
  PMQuoteReply
27th Post
Richard Daugird
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Sep 12th, 2017
Location: Texas City, Between Hou. & Galveston, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
That came out great!

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 11:59 pm
  PMQuoteReply
28th Post
Bobby Gaines
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 8th, 2017
Location: Corpus Christi, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Thanks Richard, It was torture having all the parts finally and not being able to work on it while I was recovering form surgery. But the cake is done and I am about 70%.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sun Jul 8th, 2018 11:58 pm
  PMQuoteReply
29th Post
Tristan Crider
AFCA Member


Joined: Thu Aug 27th, 2015
Location: Washington, Missouri USA
Status: 
Offline
Very Nice! I love the white.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

Current time is 08:00 pm  
AFCA Forums > Antique Fan Collectors Association > Pre-1950 (Antique) > My first Pancake Top



Beige Theme By: Di @ UltraBB
UltraBB 1.17 Copyright © 2007-2008 Data 1 Systems
Page processed in 0.2672 seconds (34% database + 66% PHP). 28 queries executed.