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 Posted: Thu Oct 11th, 2018 03:48 am
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Russ Huber
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New to my eyes.  Always cool to see a fresh one, thanks Russ!  Wonder how the mechanicals inside work.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 12:41 am
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Evan Atkinson wrote: New to my eyes.  Always cool to see a fresh one, thanks Russ!  Wonder how the mechanicals inside work.
I knew HC had early AC CFs, but finding images of them are like finding hens teeth. They must of been ashamed of them. :D  


Keep in mind Edwin Pillsbury(Century Electric) was in the HC fan motor department prior to taking employment in St. Louis at Emerson mid 90s. 

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Latticed globe motor housing with blades driven by motor shaft friction wheel.  I read another article that speaks of ONE ceiling fan for alternating or direct current.


HC placed it new on the market in …...94.  Bottom right hand corner of the article below.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 12:31 pm
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Latticed globe? No wonder none survived! I have the partially shattered latticed Diehl globe housing that I repaired and completed with a Lundell ball motor and featured in the seminar I led at  Fan Fair in Sacramento. I still believe the Diehl was a prototype, and never put on the market.  Do not have an image on my iPad, and am not at my desktop computer where the images reside. Someone may have an image they could post. The seminar was also printed in the next Fan Collector after Sacramento.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 01:50 pm
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Chuck Abernathy wrote: I still believe the Diehl was a prototype, and never put on the market. 
I remember the image of yours, Chuck.  Being H-C produced a latticed CF fan motor body would be a strong indication the possibility they were following suit of a previous manufacturer's design? 


Electrical trade available for 93 does not support the grouping including duplex Dayton Fan & Motor desk fans witnessed in past by us in 93 electrical supply catalogue.  94 Electrical trade supports Diehl desk fans(plural) in advertisement, yet there are no images of them. I am sure you see the distinct possibility how a fan motor could be manufactured despite its absence to be shown or mentioned in electrical trade.


It's still cool, prototype, or not. :D 

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I have three reasons for thinking the Diehl Basket Fan was a prototype:  1) the part I purchased came with two other early pieces from the Diehl museum in NJ; 2) the blade attachment was a simple “block” of steel attached to the bottom of the basket, with 1/2” holes in the ends with set screws for the blade irons; 3) the upper lip of lower basket had gears cut into it, effectively making it a ring gear, to be engaged by a small pinion gear on the shaft of a motor.   A fourth reason is that there was no upper basket to complete the globe (although this is not real proof, as such a matching basket could easily have been broken and discarded.)
Now, as to reason 3 above...I can imagine such an apparatus above my great grandmother’s dining room table, with the noise of a brass gear running along a cast iron ring gear, and little bits of grease dripping down on her lovely crocheted lace table cloth!  Don’t think so!! 👎😡🤔

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Chuck Abernathy wrote:
Now, as to reason 3 above...I can imagine such an apparatus above my great grandmother’s dining room table, with the noise of a brass gear running along a cast iron ring gear, and little bits of grease dripping down on her lovely crocheted lace table cloth!  Don’t think so!! 👎😡🤔

The good news is grandma's dining room table would of been safe from that one.  That bugger would of more than likely been hanging(if so) in a shop of a prominent individual not far from a 500 VDC railway generator.  :D  Enjoy your toy, Chuck!  :clap:

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Actually, Russ, the Lundell ball motor I used is 30 volts DC! No telling what Diehl would have used!😍

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 Posted: Mon Oct 15th, 2018 05:06 pm
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Chuck Abernathy wrote: Actually, Russ, the Lundell ball motor I used is 30 volts DC! No telling what Diehl would have used!😍
No denying that. Crocker Wheeler's 93 CF was offered wound for any desired voltage up to 250 VDC. This included a 2 CW CF package for 500 VDC circuit if they were wired in series. As you know fan motors both CF and desk capable of the 500 VDC rail circuit were not uncommon in the 90s as the boys moved forward standardizing the juice.  :D

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I suspect those Diehl 16’s in Galatoire’s were wired 3 or 4 in series and used the 500 volt power from the NOLA trolley circuit!!

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