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 Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2018 07:36 pm
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Michael Aidinovich
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Hello All.  Out antiquing last weekend and come across a lonely Westinghouse 516860A sitting in a corner booth calling me.  After negotiations I was able to pick up for 20 bucks since broken and missing parts.  Not certain on age because I’m not seeing any date on the tag other than Reg which was dated 1926.  The head wire on the unit is in the back of the motor and not the front, so assume it’s a model in the thirties (Forum members, keep me straight on that comment).  So, looking for the forums advise on the following.

1. The oscillator lever and oscillator internal parts are missing.  Can those parts be found or even replaced?  If replaced and you have those parts, please email me price and shipping cost.  If not, I now have a parts fan or somehow make it a non-oscillating fan.  Although not fond of the later idea.
2. The cage is broken in one spot and completely missing a wire in another.  Fortunately, my son and I are going to the blacksmith this weekend, so I plan on fixing the cage there.  As a backup if the blacksmith is a bust, anyone have a spare cage to sell?  Again, let me know pricing and shipping.
3. Once I got the fan home I quickly rewired the base to test the unit.  It worked!!!  However, on slow and medium the fan blades turned, but very slowly.  On high, it seemed to work fine.  I assume it needs a good cleaning and oil.  I couldn’t find an oil port anywhere on this fan.  Where is the oil port on the unit?  The other thing I was thinking was bad bearings or speed coil.  Any advice on repacking or is it best to replace the bearings?  
4. From what I’ve read on the forum, I don’t believe I need to remove the stator to replace the head wire due to the wiring in the back of the motor.  But if I do that, is that any risk of damaging the stator while stripping the old paint and rust from the cover and repainting, even if blocking the holes to prevent debris and painting the stator?  From what I’ve seen on the forum, removing the stator on this model is difficult. 
5. On the fan blades there’s paint splatter everywhere.  Any advice on how to remove the paint spatter without damaging the micarta?
6. Speaking of the blades there is a small chip in one of the blades, anyway to fill that?  If so, what material is suggested?
7. Now for your opinion – The unit is black and thinking of repainting with Ivory paint which was Westinghouse’s color for the home version of this model.  If I use Ivory, is anything else need changing or am devaluing the fan?














Thank you in advance.
Mike

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 Posted: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 12:29 am
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Levi Mevis
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Take a look at your information tag on top of your motor housing, there should be a microdate in the upper left hand corner of the information tag next to where it says "Westinghouse" and that microdate dates to within 3 years of when the fan was made (the date on the tag itself is the earliest the fan could of been made and then 3 years after that date is also when that fan could of been made as that microdate is when they had a new batch of information tags made).
I have the same exact fan you do except mine dates ti between 1925 and 1928, and $40 is what I paid for mine because mine wasn't in working order when I got it plus the power cord and headwire were both in real sad shape when I got it, anyways so I replaced the headwire and power cord and its been working fine since.

Hope this helps.


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A clarification on the imprecise dating using "micro dates" on Westinghouse tags (not just fans but many, many Westy products and starting c.1910):
Bill Voigt and I did a survey of his fairly extensive collection of Westinghouse fans and this is what we came up with.   This is probably not a complete list of "micro dates" (a term that I coined years ago) but does give an approximation of the spread of time between dates.  There is nothing "official" on exactly what the micro date means but I took an educated guess and think the date changed when Westinghouse ordered a new batch of tags or a tag was needed that differed from existing tags.   So, not every three years did the date change but more like, roughly, every one to 3 or 4 years, possibly a longer time.   There are a few other micro dates for DC models or which I have only a few dates and did not include here.  The DC micro dates are different from the AC because DC tags were different from AC tags.  In some cases it is almost impossible to read certain digits due to the micro dates being so small and indistinct on the tags.

5-18-13 (may be 8-18-13)


10-16-14

12-19-16 (may be 2-19-16)

8-3-17

3-28-19 

5-16-19

8-14-24

1-22-26

The dates probably do go on but Bill's collection was mostly of c.1910 to early 30s fans.

Here is a c.1925 Westy tag and the fan it was on.  The micro date on this tag is in the top, left corner.  Most of the time the micro date is enclosed in parenthesis as it is here; (8-13-24).







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Thank you both.  My microdate tag states 1-22-26, so looking around 1926 to 1930ish.  
I'd like to begin the restoration process but just need to know the answer to the oscillator question and parts.  I'll post in the Buy-Sell-Trade section.

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Levi Mevis
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You Know what Steve, I'm beginning to wonder if that microdate wasn't maybe for the date of manufacture for Westinghouse because my fan's microdate is 5-18-25 and the ID tag isn't the same style tag as your example ID Tag which had a 1924 date on it. 

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Quick update.  Was able to fix the cage at the blacksmith, basically shaped new metal rods to a perfect match, welded and reshaped the cage.  It's now ready for painting.  If you have a fan cage in terrible condition, a Blacksmith can perform magic.
At this point I just need the oscillator cover, gear and rod.  If anyone has a spare for sale, let me know.


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