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 Posted: Tue Jun 11th, 2019 03:15 pm
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John Fengel
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I have a Westinghouse Tank with a Style Number 105128B - I searched the forum "Search" without success so I thought i would see if anyone might provide a clue - It's a 12", 2 Speed, 4 Blade with a Stencil Cage Badge - One interesting observation is the Center Ring on the Cage is solid, not open on the back side like most I've seen - makes me wonder if it's an early model. Anyway if anyone can shed some light on this model it will be appreciated.


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 Posted: Tue Jun 11th, 2019 04:07 pm
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John can you post a picture or two?

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John, I looked at Bill Voigt's tank Style No. survey and did not see the number you gave.  The solid center ring on the cage was used through 1907, not sure about 1908.   I have no catalog information that gives the Style No. you have.   Is the motor tag riveted or screwed to the motor and what is the last patent year on the tag, 1893 or 1906.  First year for the 1906 date I think was 1908 tank.

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Steve Stephens wrote: John, I looked at Bill Voigt's tank Style No. survey and did not see the number you gave.  The solid center ring on the cage was used through 1907, not sure about 1908.   I have no catalog information that gives the Style No. you have.   Is the motor tag riveted or screwed to the motor and what is the last patent year on the tag, 1893 or 1906.  First year for the 1906 date I think was 1908 tank.

Steve,
I also looked through the scanned documents and found nothing - The Badge is attached with 2 small screws - I'll get some pictures of the Badge - The fan looks and runs like any other Westinghouse Tank


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 Posted: Tue Jun 11th, 2019 08:19 pm
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John I have 11 tanks of various vintage, in checking the serial numbers non of them were not even close to the serial number on yours. With the screwed on tag it’s a later model, I’m certain Steve will provide more precise information.  If you can show a picture of the back of the motor and base it will help also,  I am guessing that someone changed tags from a different Westinghouse.

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I'd like to see a sharp photo of the motor tag John.  Is there a micro date on the tag?   There should not be one for the cages with the solid center ring or even for several years afterwards with the hollow center ring.

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1909 Westinghouse desk fan Style numbers.


https://books.google.com/books?id=iO8oAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PP5&dq=Westinghouse+fans+1909&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEiJWc5-LiAhXLna0KHUAyCB8Q6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=Westinghouse%20fans%201909&f=false

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Russ Huber wrote: 1909 Westinghouse desk fan Style numbers.


https://books.google.com/books?id=iO8oAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PP5&dq=Westinghouse+fans+1909&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEiJWc5-LiAhXLna0KHUAyCB8Q6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=Westinghouse%20fans%201909&f=false

I don't see Style No. 105128B that John is asking about and didn't see that number anywhere in my incomplete files.  John, is it possible that you misread some digits?
The link above is a good one however.   Hopefully this will actually LINK to the page:

https://books.google.com/books?id=iO8oAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PP5&dq=Westinghouse+fans+1909&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEiJWc5-LiAhXLna0KHUAyCB8Q6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=Westinghouse%20fans%201909&f=false

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I took a few pictures this morning and included them with this post - I really didn't think anything about the strange Style Number until I tried to restore the Motor Badge - As you can see it's very washed out and thought I would post in the BST section for a replacement but after doing a search found nothing - So here are the pictures, any help is appreciated.

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John, what is the voltage range on the tag?  I can't read it from your photo.  Standard for tanks after the first few years was 100-110 and 111-120 for two speed tanks and 112-115 for the three speed tanks which I can see yours is not a 3 speed.

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Russ Huber wrote: 1909 Westinghouse desk fan Style numbers.


How fun of a read was that? They just tear apart every competitor in the fan market at the time.

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Steve Stephens wrote: John, what is the voltage range on the tag?  I can't read it from your photo.  Standard for tanks after the first few years was 100-110 and 111-120 for two speed tanks and 112-115 for the three speed tanks which I can see yours is not a 3 speed.

Steve;


Badge reads 100-110 Volts & 60 cycle - Serial #390142 - This is a 2 Speed Tank.


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With that serial number it would be later than this one, below, but what I don't understand is the "Style No." that I am unable to find and, besides, all Tanks 100-110 volts and 60 cycles were Style 60677 like the motor tag, below.Does your tag have a 1911 micro date in the lower left corner?   I might be possible that your tag is from an early stamped steel fan if they were rated at 100-110 volts, 60 cycles.  The same blank motor tags were used on later tanks and earlier stamped motors but there would be that 1911 micro date.




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Steve Stephens wrote: With that serial number it would be later than this one, below, but what I don't understand is the "Style No." that I am unable to find and, besides, all Tanks 100-110 volts and 60 cycles were Style 60677 like the motor tag, below.Does your tag have a 1911 micro date in the lower left corner?   I might be possible that your tag is from an early stamped steel fan if they were rated at 100-110 volts, 60 cycles.  The same blank motor tags were used on later tanks and earlier stamped motors but there would be that 1911 micro date.





Steve;


The only numbers in lower left hand corner are "525" - I may look for a "60677" tag for it and save the installed one.


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Here is a mid era tank tag with the solid center cage ring on the cage.   I am only finding 5 digit serial numbers on most 60677 motor tags but that does not seem high enough.   I don't have a sufficient sample of tanks that I have looked at or saved photos of.   Your tag has 6 digits.   Things just don't add up.  

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343260, 380993, 391543. The middle one is the minor anomaly.....

  Why change what you have? It's more interesting than the 60677, and may be telling us something of interest.................................... such as the date-of-production you're trying to nail down.



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I believe earliest tanks such as the 1907 had only Style N0. 60677 stamped, and no Serial N0. on name plate, also the name plate was riveted instead screwed on to the motor housing as on later models.

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I have 2 tanks with no s/n. One has rivets and one has screws... one has a solid badge and one doesn't. Who knows what happened before I got them... They are 100 + years old.

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The model may of served some purpose such as lets say distributing fragrance when it left the factory.  

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The blue tank above has a cage from a stamped steel model with the reverse curve at the bottom ring.  
Tank motor tags:

1905
First year for the Westy tank had a smaller diameter motor and other differences like different strut attachment, no cage banner, no fiber base plate.   Style 46970, 110 volts



1905-06?  
16" tank, ONE speed, early tank with small motor but 1906 style struts.  Style 60679 seems to say it's a 1906 model but hard to say with the small diameter motor.  Motor tag is newer style than the 1905 above (note how the pat. dates are written)




1906
104 volts (down from 110 volts in 1905), early tank with unreinforced trunnion arms


1906 or 1907-
A little later 1906 or are the following 1907?, Style 60677 2 speed


Same time as tag above but Style 80421.   Difference is the voltage range of 110-120  offered most of the time that tanks were made.


Possibly a 1907 but tag is very close to those above.  Style 83239, a semi-rare three speed tank.   Note voltage range 112-115.   These ran at a slow 1000 rpm on the slowest speed.


1908 or 09 tags are, I believe, similar and have the 1906 patent date on them for the first time.   Motor tags are now screwed to the motor and remained much like this through the last tank in 1911.  Serial numbers added for the first time.

Note, I was hoping I would have more tags but finding them will take time so I will stop for now.   Hopefully I got the info above right but dating tanks is not an exact science.   



c. 1910-11 tanks used this motor tag.  This is a very late one with a 1911 micro date in lower left corner and more and later patent dates, still with a serial number.   By 1910 tanks had solid cage badges instead of the stencil banner badge.

Badge below has the Style No. starting with an X and the other numbers are not readable.  I'm not sure why the unusual Style No.




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