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 Posted: Wed Sep 11th, 2019 03:58 pm
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Charlie Forster
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ALL WEB SITS NEED TO BE UPDATED FROM TIME TO TIME.
IT WOULD BE GOOD IF ALL THE STUFF FOR THE ANTIQUE  ON ONE PAGE AND THE VINTASGE ON THE OTHER .
 Make it USER Friendly!!!

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 Posted: Thu Sep 12th, 2019 01:17 am
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Kim Frank wrote: Gunner Lake wrote:





Good point Ed. I'm the creator and moderator of r/fans on Reddit. We have ~620 subscribers at last count. I try to drive people over to the AFCA when they show a big interest in antique fans or have questions which that group can't answer. One big difference there though is that I don't require the discussion be limited to antique fans. Many of the questions are about what modern fan to buy for different use cases, but I digress.




Gunner, I have always though that the "Antique" portion of our AFCA name is limiting, as there are collectors of all years of fans, just not the hundred year old ones. Perhaps someday we'll become the Fan Collectors Association. When we host the Ceiling Fan Kids meet here at the Museum, I find it interesting that the fans for sale/trade are 1960 thru the Present day and that some get excited by a 12 inch push button Panasonic fan.


On another note, I see that you live in Jacksonville Fl. Has a Randy Wright ever crossed your path?


Let’s keep in mind that technically “Antique” is anything 25 years or older. 

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 Posted: Thu Sep 12th, 2019 01:32 am
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There is a cut off time and it is 1950

Antique 1800 - 1950    Vintage 1950- 2002                                                          AFTER 2002 JUNK
THIS MAY NOT BE RIGHT WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD BUT IT SHOULD WORK FOR
THE FAN CLUB
WE COULD CALL IT CLASS 1  AND CLASS 2



LANE 25 YRS IS MAINLY FOR AUTOMOBILES

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Lane Shirey wrote:

Let’s keep in mind that technically “Antique” is anything 25 years or older. 





I'm not of that opinion. To me, an antique is 100 years or older and vintage is after that. Charlie related that cars are designated antiques after 25 years and I understand that, but a 1994 vehicle just isn't an antique to me, it's a daily driver. And Charlie's remark of anything after 2002 is Junk is wrong. There's a lot of crap that was made long before that date. Here is a 2002 Casablanca Moderne that puts most fans made after 1950 to shame. The fit, finish, and quality of this fan is remarkable. And it weighs in at 29 pounds...not too shabby for a 13.5 inch oscillating fan..









Lane Shirey wrote:



Let’s keep in mind that technically “Antique” is anything 25 years or older. 






I'm not of that opinion. To me, an antique is 100 years or older and vintage is after that. Charlie related that cars are designated antiques after 25 years, but a 1994 vehicle just isn't an antique to me. And Charlie's remark of anything after 2002 is Junk is wrong. Here is a 2002 Casablanca Moderne that puts most fans made after 1950 to shame. The fit, finish, and quality of this fan is remarkable. And it weighs in at 29 pounds...not too shabby for a 13.5 inch oscillating fan

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I’ve found that the word “antique” is largely subjective and highly dependent on what you are collecting. As Lane said, with cars, anything over 25 is an antique. For furniture, 100 years or older is an antique. My friend, a TV collector, has said anything over 50 is considered an “antique”.

My point is it completely depends on what’s being collected. I personally like the pre and post 1950 cut off because there seems to have been a seriously radical shift in styling and construction around then whereas before everything seemed a bit more gradual.

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I own dinner plates used every evening purchased 23 years ago at Bed Bath & Beyond. They are modern looking and far “Antique”. Guarantee you in 2 years people will not view them as antique

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All good discussions... It would be nice to have an area in the forum to go to for the best info available on a fan at this time... Not to be changed or messed with by forum and membership unless agreed upon... I am only talking about The fan itself, its origin years made or produced. Variants and numbers made... A lot of this stuff is not known yet! But to have an area where a new member can go to get the latest info would be a good feature and should be a feature tied into club membership... I am not kidding anyone when I say this would be a huge undertaking by membership as everyone is part time... So it will be an incremental process... I am not talking about paint you use, oil or grease you may use  or what is a restore, rewire, oil and lube..  And we should include "Patina" Dunno who she is but we need to set her down and explain we R not happy with her... 
[size= I had a discussion last night  with several members about what is a wiki area going to look like? I am old school and am not sure what a WIKI is... At this point we have time to talk about what we want our site to be and what it will become... ]
[size=Right now we R working on getting the site more up to date and protecting our club with branding and securing our logos... So be patient... There are no bad ideas and I am seeing some good stuff on here and remind everyone not to get hung up in semantics...]
[size=It is just fans! And we R doing a pretty good job with our club...]
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 Posted: Thu Sep 12th, 2019 02:41 pm
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Kim Frank wrote: Lane Shirey wrote:

Let’s keep in mind that technically “Antique” is anything 25 years or older. 




I'm not of that opinion. To me, an antique is 100 years or older and vintage is after that. Charlie related that cars are designated antiques after 25 years and I understand that, but a 1994 vehicle just isn't an antique to me, it's a daily driver. And Charlie's remark of anything after 2002 is Junk is wrong. There's a lot of crap that was made long before that date. Here is a 2002 Casablanca Moderne that puts most fans made after 1950 to shame. The fit, finish, and quality of this fan is remarkable. And it weighs in at 29 pounds...not too shabby for a 13.5 inch oscillating fan..



Lane Shirey wrote:



Let’s keep in mind that technically “Antique” is anything 25 years or older. 






I'm not of that opinion. To me, an antique is 100 years or older and vintage is after that. Charlie related that cars are designated antiques after 25 years, but a 1994 vehicle just isn't an antique to me. And Charlie's remark of anything after 2002 is Junk is wrong. Here is a 2002 Casablanca Moderne that puts most fans made after 1950 to shame. The fit, finish, and quality of this fan is remarkable. And it weighs in at 29 pounds...not too shabby for a 13.5 inch oscillating fan

 

Kim, please delete these photos ASAP -- if the wife sees it I'm gonna have to get one...

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Well we can just do away  with the division and have   1 one class     Fans!!!
Kim Ididnt see that  fan in my Walmart .

                                                     FANS     2 GROUPS
                                     0  TO 1950                     1950   -TO  2030

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That Casablanca is a nice fan. Probably be around in 50 or 100 years for my great grand kids to collect. I think it is a discontinued model.


I think our name...Antique Fan Collectors Association might intimidate some of the newer fan collectors..not newbies but newer fans...Perhaps we should just be Fan Collectors Association because isn't that what we are, after all?

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Honestly, I think the Casablanca is more the exception than the rule. You can still find good modern fans, but they are few and far between. I don’t believe the Chinese plastic fans at Walmart will ever survive to be collectible. 

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Kim Frank wrote: I think our name...Antique Fan Collectors Association might intimidate some of the newer fan collectors..not newbies but newer fans...Perhaps we should just be Fan Collectors Association because isn't that what we are, after all?

I agree with Kim on the name topic.  We have them subdivided in our forum to include both antique and vintage. We have people who collect up into the 60s, 70s and beyond. We either embrace all collectors or we alienate a large portion of them.  I think we may be doing the latter already. We wouldn’t be the first FCA by any means but we could be the first to welcome a greater realm of collectors if we choose to.




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Kim Frank wrote: ...On another note, I see that you live in Jacksonville Fl. Has a Randy Wright ever crossed your path?

He hasn't. I don't do much local buying though and also go after later fans than he buys/sells. I'm not much a of a brass guy. :wondering:

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Sean Campbell wrote: Honestly, I think the Casablanca is more the exception than the rule. You can still find good modern fans, but they are few and far between. I don’t believe the Chinese plastic fans at Walmart will ever survive to be collectible. 

People probably thought that about the Bersted / Eskimo fans in the 50s and 60s, yet there's still a million of 'em. :P

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I prefer "Fan-a-holics Anonymous" myself........as I clearly am addicted and cannot stop.

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Greg Mauer wrote: Kim Frank wrote: I think our name...Antique Fan Collectors Association might intimidate some of the newer fan collectors..not newbies but newer fans...Perhaps we should just be Fan Collectors Association because isn't that what we are, after all?

I agree with Kim on the name topic.  We have them subdivided in our forum to include both antique and vintage. We have people who collect up into the 60s, 70s and beyond. We either embrace all collectors or we alienate a large portion of them.  I think we may be doing the latter already. We wouldn’t be the first FCA by any means but we could be the first to welcome a greater realm of collectors if we choose to.


For what it's worth, I like some of the ideas here, like the Wiki pages, this one I don't. The reason is simple, we don't collect fans, we collect antique -- and vintage granted -- fans, but most people don't know the nuance between the two anyway. I've been to enough "antique" shows to know. You make it "fan collector" and you'll have people asking questions about how to fix the fan they bought at wally world last week.


 


My first fans were a Sterling and Dominion. As I learned, I aspired -- much like my unacomplished goal breaking 40 on a side -- to collect the brass fans, then a little better brass fans, but that's where my interests are. I've watched people here collect box and industial fans and noticed they also  -- at times-- proceed to collect the unique in this line. It's a choice where you go with your collecting, but at the end of the day, we're not collecting just fans.

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Don Fenton wrote: I prefer "Fan-a-holics Anonymous" myself........as I clearly am addicted and cannot stop.


Uh oh!  Do we need to have an intervention? We can test you this way... Just give me 4 or 5 of your best fans... If you can live without them, u R cured! What ya think?😊😂🤣😁😁

Geo...

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George Durbin wrote: Don Fenton wrote: I prefer "Fan-a-holics Anonymous" myself........as I clearly am addicted and cannot stop.


Uh oh!  Do we need to have an intervention? We can test you this way... Just give me 4 or 5 of your best fans... If you can live without them, u R cured! What ya think?😊😂🤣😁😁

Geo...
 
I'm in George........just pay me twice what I paid and I'll be set free!! :bigfan

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Michael Rathberger wrote: Greg Mauer wrote: Kim Frank wrote: I think our name...Antique Fan Collectors Association might intimidate some of the newer fan collectors..not newbies but newer fans...Perhaps we should just be Fan Collectors Association because isn't that what we are, after all?

I agree with Kim on the name topic.  We have them subdivided in our forum to include both antique and vintage. We have people who collect up into the 60s, 70s and beyond. We either embrace all collectors or we alienate a large portion of them.  I think we may be doing the latter already. We wouldn’t be the first FCA by any means but we could be the first to welcome a greater realm of collectors if we choose to.


For what it's worth, I like some of the ideas here, like the Wiki pages, this one I don't. The reason is simple, we don't collect fans, we collect antique -- and vintage granted -- fans, but most people don't know the nuance between the two anyway. I've been to enough "antique" shows to know. You make it "fan collector" and you'll have people asking questions about how to fix the fan they bought at wally world last week.

 

My first fans were a Sterling and Dominion. As I learned, I aspired -- much like my unacomplished goal breaking 40 on a side -- to collect the brass fans, then a little better brass fans, but that's where my interests are. I've watched people here collect box and industial fans and noticed they also  -- at times-- proceed to collect the unique in this line. It's a choice where you go with your collecting, but at the end of the day, we're not collecting just fans.


I agree 100% Mike. Couldn’t have said it better.

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Sean Campbell wrote: I don’t believe the Chinese plastic fans at Walmart will ever survive to be collectible.
Who of us haven't seen those
white plastic POS's at the curb
for trash pick up?   :wondering:



( hasn't ? )

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But never an Edison

ironclad!...   :X   :P

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Don Fenton wrote: I prefer "Fan-a-holics Anonymous"

  :idea  Some may think...

"Fan Dorks Anonymous"

would be applicable.  :thumbup


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Jim
We are wondering  if you really do have any  fans  ??

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Hello All, I was taking a quick look through this discussion and am aware of all the issues everyone is raising. Larry and I just recently had a conversation exchanging some ideas and some history.

Ed Frank is correct about Facebook and their servers. We are not on those servers. In fact, most of the Facebook servers reside in the town in which I currently live, but that's another story.

George is also correct. We are all part-time and extensive changes/updates/ideas will take time to implement (think tortoise versus hare), so please be patient as I learn the ins and outs of everything.

To reassure everyone, no changes will be made without the Board's approval. I'm not volunteering to make decisions or changes of my own volition without approval by the Board. I'm hoping to help the Board and the members realize some things that they would like to have and to implement those in ways most beneficial to the organization.

There are a lot of good ideas out there and a lot of possibilities. I hope that I am able to help you all realize some of those.

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As someone who is probably the youngest one so far on this thread, allow me to present some thoughts:

The gallery should be organized and updated. The gallery is fundamentally a good idea, but is plagued with arcane information.

AFCA instagram/snapchat- I don't see the point. We have a good site that needs work, not a hip message. We collect fans because we enjoy them and meeting others, not to grow a social media presence.

Facebook is good- but not a substitute. I enjoy perusing the Facebook page, but the depth of discussions here I think is much greater. There's nothing wrong with having both.

The search feature should be more accurate. Often times, I search a particular model and come up with threads that share a letter, not the fan or anything remotely close. Possibly user error, but worth looking into.


I do understand this is a lot of work and I tip my hat to those who run this organization. These are simply ideas from what I've seen here over the past several years. As far as the vintage fans go (i.e. plastic) I'm less interested in that permeating the AFCA. I still have a few-they're not bad-but not worthy in my view of including in a collecting association. Likewise, it will be a sad day when a Prius shows up in the Petersen. I may have just whacked the hornet's nest but please take no offense.

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Tom Morel wrote: ...it will be a sad day when a Prius shows up in the Petersen.
A distinct possibility since the first Honda Accord built in the Marysville, Ohio factory was given floor space at the Henry Ford Museum.   I wonder what antique car was moved out to make room for the Honda.  You never know.

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On the forums and gallery  work something up and put it  so we can see and  go from that input.
Work something up  and let us look it over  and make some changes the  have a norther test and if good with the members  then you could submit it to the Overloads .

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The search function is, well the forum software would change it, so I won't bother. Let's just say it is lacking.

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