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| Posted: Thu Nov 28th, 2019 07:00 pm |
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Dan Jacobson Guest
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I've watched and read this forum for well over a decade and have enjoyed countless excellent articles. Yet over the past few years I sense a level of sadness. Why is this forum so sterile? It's like there are a only few people that dictate what goes on here. I find myself coming here less & less lately - kinda' stale. After all, how hard is it to restore a fan? When is the next election of officers? Respectfully, Dan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28th, 2019 07:24 pm |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member 
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I've found the members here to be quite welcoming. I have had an account for eons, but didn't start coming here regularly or join the club until this year when I got into fan restoration. The help offered by many has assisted me in completing many projects. Members who didn't know me, went out of their way to help.The "sterile" feeling you mention may be due to the fact that most members here are somewhat "matter of fact" regarding certain topics. How hard is it to restore a fan? Depends on the fan. BUT, if you have to ask the question, you probably haven't tried to restore a fan yet. That process is what most regular members here have in common, but not a requirement to enjoy the site. Give it a try and you may find the question you asked to be off-putting, as it is not easy like wiring a lamp or something. Welcome to AFCA, Dan! A quite unorthodox intro thread, but an intro thread nonetheless! Try to look passed the "matter of factness" and see how much passion members here have for fans.  Last edited on Thu Nov 28th, 2019 07:29 pm by Alex Rushing |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28th, 2019 07:45 pm |
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David A Cherry AFCA Member 
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WOW!,,someone please send this man a book on how to win friends and influence people..,fan collecting is not sports collecting, it's just a bunch of guys and gals helping each other with their hobby...if you want more excitement, then a antique fan club, paint your face, and go to a late night hockey game at a Irish sports bar.... Last edited on Thu Nov 28th, 2019 07:48 pm by David A Cherry |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28th, 2019 07:49 pm |
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Philip Stoppard AFCA Member
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Here here! well said Dan... ive been around this site since way back (when it was really friendly and fun) now its very clicky with small clicks of people who seem to stick together like glue , im on another USA forum for wheelhorse tractors and the difference is night and day , it is so friendly and welcoming and lots of fun. Speaking as a non USA resident this forum has become more and more a site for American people , to the point where I don't even post anything anymore because if your not American or in the "click" its a waste of time, such a shame it used to be a great place....and as you can guess I wont be renewing my membership this time round, just my 2 bob (cents) Thanks for raising this Dan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28th, 2019 07:51 pm |
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Sean Campbell AFCA Member 
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Welcome to the forum Dan!  I’m not quite sure what you mean by steril, but there is quite a lot of technical information on this site. If you’re not mechanically minded, that’s fine too! There’s plenty of threads on history, posts on beautiful success stories, and members newest finds! By and large, we may not be for everyone, but we try to be a helpful and friendly lot. I can’t tell you how much help my club mates have been to me! Many here a generous and kind. Have you ever been to a meet Dan? If not, you’re only doing yourself a disservice. The fun we have at meets really can’t be described by the threads. I hope you enjoy your time with us. Get active, come to meets, restore some fans....we'd love to see you around!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28th, 2019 08:42 pm |
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David Allen AFCA Member
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Dan Jacobson wrote: I've watched and read this forum for well over a decade and have enjoyed countless excellent articles. Hi Dan. It's really confusing to me as to why the forum seems sad to you. I have participated less lately because of other obligations and work. I will say; things seem a little slower than usual but not sad. Part of the slowdown is due to the corrosive nature of all the here today / gone tomorrow Facebook groups that draw members away. On a forum like this, people have to put their differences aside; but on Facebook, everyone can start their own fly-by-night group and take discussions away. I hope to do some new articles with some upcoming projects when time allows. Hopefully you check by here at that time and enjoy the discussion. Sincerely, David
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28th, 2019 10:22 pm |
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Tristan Crider AFCA Member 
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Sterile, Sad and cliquey? Hmm, I've found everyone very welcoming, helpful and kind for beginners like myself. If people seem to be "cliquey" then jump in and force your way into the conversation if you're so inclined, or if you're more socially awkward like me you can watch from the sidelines. 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 01:58 am |
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Lane Shirey AFCA Member 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 02:48 am |
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Jim Kovar AFCA Member 
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Dan Jacobson wrote: ...this forum... ...a level of sadness. Why is this forum so sterile? ...kinda' stale. The solution,... of course...  Ping pong balls! 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 03:01 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Maybe a competition to see who has the best fan for chopping up hotdog weenies? Each participant gets 5 second to put the hotdog into the rear of the cage and see how well it slices.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 03:59 am |
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William Dunlap AFCA Member 
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How ironic it is that someone comes here on Thanksgiving day with a cup half full complaining about where the other half has gone. Now, I've recently had an encounter with someone with that exact point of view. But since I'm a half full type, we didn't really see eye to eye. I begin each day with wonder at how lucky I am to be here and that I have great friends and productive activity, especially with my work with these old fans. I have a great four legged friend and we socialize with other folks and their furry friends. On a lighter not, I get to have fresh pineapple for desert every day. Lots of small things like that add up to a great day. I've got no time for complaints. Cheers, Bill
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 04:44 am |
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David A Cherry AFCA Member
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I am sitting here with a belly full of turkey I would like to make a statement about the fan club as I see it... when I went to this year's fanfare I saw a grouping of old friends, not a click, I met a young man who let me set my fan on his table, while I walked around,and he didn't know me from Adam, fact that I had a fan in my hand was all he needed to see ..everyone was very friendly to me and there were no scrooges in the bunch, at least on the day I was there, we needed to plug something in that was 220 and all kinds of people came forward with converters, so on this Thanksgiving day I am thankful for how I have been treated, I will be re-upping my membership... Last edited on Fri Nov 29th, 2019 04:45 am by David A Cherry |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 01:08 pm |
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John Trier AFCA Member 
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This post has made me think. I started collecting fans in 1991 or so. I'd be curious to look at the demographics of collectors then and now. Are new collectors entering the hobby at the same rate as in 1991? What's the average age of collectors then and now. Are we sterile? As collectors and collections age out, what happens? I know some have sold off their fans or have passed away leaving their collections for family to deal with. I know of only a few father/son collecting teams. Fan stories are very rare these days. No more do we hear about a Peerless spin start being found in an antique shop being used as a door stop. There was a time when lots of rare fans could be found in antique shops, not so much anymore. There seem to be no more electrically connected warehouse's filled with rare rare fans such as the one in Arizona, and the one in Kansas City. Fostering new collectors is very important. Freely sharing information, and pricing will energize new members and keep them connected, informed and active. Steve Cunningham and a few others were indispensable in my early days and taught me about these things. Their friendships endures to this day. By contrast, I collect other things too, in those area's of collecting, the mature collectors want to keep young or new collectors "stupid" for obvious reasons and they will pray upon new collectors. If I could change one thing on this forum it would be when a collector sells a fan on BST, that they would leave the price alone and not edit it out. Newer collectors could then learn about pricing. When I was a new collector, the single most important piece of information I wanted to know about was what a fan sells for. I do not understand the reason or rational so many here seem to have by editing out their asking price. Freely sharing all types of information is a key element if we want a vibrant, enthusiastic growing hobby. If you want to see an area of collecting that's sterile, try science instruments, those people are idiots and they are shooting themselves in the foot. My 2 cents. j
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 02:24 pm |
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Pete Moulds AFCA Member 
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Rather than defending ourselves, perhaps we should look at Dan's comments in the spirit in which they are meant? It wasn't easy for him to put himself out there and make an honest appraisal. He risked a poor reception but it is a valuable impression. In some ways I see his point. Some aspects of the web site are very static and are not really living up to their potential. One in particular is the Galleries section. It hasn't been added to nearly as much as it could have been. Frankly I do not know why we make the images unavailable to non-members except in thumbnail images. If we did so, would we really lose members? These fans are beautiful and perhaps we would attract more collectors or restorers if we were more open with the images and had a lot more of them? There are other aspects of a huge reservoir of very detailed information which is not arranged clearly and there is a huge amount out there among members which is not added. This is a tragedy when the aim of AFCA is to popularise fan collecting. I, along with many other members, made comments when we discussed re-vamping the whole web site. There were lots of good comments and excellent ideas. I would like to see this discussion reawakened (it has gone rather quiet) perhaps with a whole new section or even a new, possibly temporary, Forum just to discuss improvements to the website and the details of how to structure everything. A system of links to other information should be an efficient way to do this. Also it would be nice if we could internationalize the web site more. So how about looking at ourselves with clear eyes and not become complacent?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 02:24 pm |
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Cam Kuruliak AFCA Member
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Hi Dan and welcome to the website I am some what of a “newbie” here being a member for about a year I cannot say enough about the people in here They have been extremely helpful with me when I had a wiring problem with my Jandus fan and when I was hesitant about buying my Emerson 5210 they encouraged me to buy and I am glad I listened to their advice I have contacted some members in here that I never met or know looking for parts or advice and they have always responded o me Remember Dan the experience and knowledge in here is invaluable and is only around here for some time so take advantage of it because they do not mind sharing it They are not afraid to share their successes or failures in restoring / buying fans I was afraid or intimidated at the beginning to post something thinking members will not respond because I was a newbie but I was wrong Members just want to help you with your problem Cam
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 02:29 pm |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Very well written response, John! The only thing I would like to emphasize is something I have said several times on this forum, and that is what the older collectors call "common", are in fact today's "uncommon" and "rare" fans. While the "rare" fans of older collectors are more akin to museum pieces. The main issue I see sometimes is when older collectors who have acquired/amassed a significant number or previously"rare" fans approaches a new member's fan topic with that sort of thinking. And, because of subjective projection of unadjusted thought patterns, makes it seem like a new collector's fans aren't collectible. In turn, the new members either feel pressured to find fans they cannot afford, or lose interest. Personally, I account for these types of things in the collecting world, but a lot of potential new collectors may not. Definitely not pointing fingers, because many who approach collecting without allowing for adjustment of scarcity vs. finite amounts, do so without even realizing it. Oh, and sorry I need to bring this up too. We have got to stop replying to so many new member's questions with "try doing a search" or "there is plenty of information out there, go find it". Everytime this happens, pertainent information within searches gets buried in a pile of search results that read "go search for it"(or etc.). At some point, the information gets to hard to find. It only takes a minute to answer most new member's questions, so doing so may prove to breath a little more life into the hobby. We also should consider some members do actively engage with only other members. The way to work around this is, if you're a member that doesn't selectively respond to only certain members, make it a point to respond to every new member's thread. I haven't been around enough to have any influence on what anyone thinks, nor do I have the delusion I can do so. My experience here has been fantastic, but I've also seen new member's inquiries go unanswered or abruptly responded to with "just do a search"(or etc). Inquiries that would not take moving mountains to assist with. Just $0.02 from someone relatively new to the hobby.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 03:04 pm |
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Chris A. Campbell AFCA Member 
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“Sadness” reflects misery and perhaps that is a poor choice of words as there isn't much happening here that should be depressing. You can gain a lot of information and identify people who have mastered various tasks and generally those people are willing to provide assistance. As far as “ how hard is it to restore a fan”... that is a very open question. You can clean a fan and add on a vinyl lamp cord in 2 hours and call it restored, or you can spend 2 years researching various aspects to get it they way you want it. Maintaining continued enjoyment of the process, it will take how ever long is needed. There is no solid ground to criticize something that you have never contributed to. Members, both paid and unpaid create the content. The officers are not responsible for content generation and the election of officers is a mute point. If you have questions on restoration, repair, or research by all means post it. That is the core of the forum vs a source of entertainment. But we do need ping pong balls Last edited on Sat Nov 30th, 2019 03:50 am by Chris A. Campbell |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 03:29 pm |
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Steve Butler AFCA Member 
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I still consider myself a new collector. I post here quite often with new finds that I think are worth showing. I realize some of my fans wouldn’t make a good door stop to high end collectors and would be treasures to others. There’s a fan and price level for everyone. I’ve never felt slighted or made to feel unworthy by the members with incredible collections. To the contrary, they are encouraging and helpful. The AFCA can’t be experienced on this site only. Attending a meet is a must. There you will see incredible fans and amazing people whom you will call friends in no time. Some members are never on the site but attend meets all over the country. Ray Hane comes to mind. You’re missing out if you haven’t sat around a table of fans and talked with characters like him. Everyone get off the keyboard once in a while and put faces to names. Happy hunting, Steve.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 04:22 pm |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member 
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I agree with Steve. You can't experience the AFCA on this site only. You need to hang out at a few meets, drink some cough syrup with us, tell some jokes, and make fun of the Emerson collectors. Then you can experience first hand how stale and crusty a bunch of old fan collectors can be. I love the look on new collectors faces when they realize that there actually are others like them and they don't have to suffer with their affliction alone. Then... when they attend their first meet and it's like they've finally found a new home....Cory Baugh looked like a little kid at Christmas when he attended the Carolina Regional years ago. He'll be missed. I get to experience first hand the joy of collectors young and old when they come to the AFC Museum in Zionsville and see all the treasures that members of the AFCA have put on display. So, come to a meet or visit the Museum and lets see if we can change your mind.....the beer's on ice.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 08:16 pm |
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Steve Sherwood AFCA Member 
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Dan Jacobson wrote: I've watched and read this forum for well over a decade and have enjoyed countless excellent articles.You have one post and state the forum is sterile? What does that actually mean? Sterile means you can't reproduce or something is free of germs. If you can't reproduce go see a Dr. or take a bath to be free of germs. Also, after you become a paying member you can run for the board. Respectfully Steve
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 08:24 pm |
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David A Cherry AFCA Member
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I have read further comments on this subject, and I am amazed of all the new ideas....,So the bottom line is..and there is no denying it..that when I attended fanfare it was filled with very few exceptions people 55 + with unbelievably rare and valuable fans, almost all for sale at prices that no young person can afford,. Being on the board for many years in a Shelby America car Club, I watched very valuable Shelby cars disappear slowly into high dollar collections, and our membership slowly dry up .. our club was on the verge of extinction, until Ford decided to start producing Shelby Mustangs again, now it is filled with young rich kids that have super charged their cars to unbelievable horsepower and party all night long while the older members just want to sleep..The person that started all this, may just be the canary in the coal mine ... you can either lead, follow, or get out-of-the-way, but change is in inevitable! My advice would be to listen to the young fan collectors , you will find them a breath of fresh air... and to some of the older guys...fall on your sword and sell them a seed fan.. that would be one that would bring $1000 on eBay all day long but you're gonna let him have it for $400, this will start the process of growing and not dying the club.. it will only hurt a little bit, and you will survive.... you don't have house payments anymore... and yes I have done it ..It wasn't a fan but a car. I kind of regret it now that I could use the money, but I'm glad I did it.. weird how life works...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 09:26 pm |
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William Dunlap AFCA Member
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Unfortunately for me, I'll never be able to attend any fan event. It's just too far. Nonetheless, I think I've made a few friends here. Some don't post here much, but I'm in regular contact with them. I've held an open invitation to visit to everyone. John McComas has been out here. Additionally, this site is hardly sterile. It does get slow from time to time, especially during the big fan events. Getting new fan club members by making a new retro fan is not likely to work. I've been doing exactly that for a while now and only existing collectors have my creations. I do know of an all brass pancake, custom made from scratch. I haven't seen it. but it must be spectacular. Try to imagine to cost of doing that. It must cost more than buying a nice original example. There won't be a market of original type fans in US as long as OSHA is around. The off shore produced ones don't seem to have made a big splash. So we need new members and younger ones to get fired up by the historical significance of these fans, the artistry, design and engineering, as well. How hard is it to restore a fan? The skill sets include. Brass smithing Electrical theory paint and polish knowledge of original specification Access to parts and materials Tools and equipment and shop space. and more. Not as easy as all that, I'd say. Cheers, Bill
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29th, 2019 09:47 pm |
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Steve Sherwood AFCA Member
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David A Cherry wrote: I have read further comments on this subject, and I am amazed of all the new ideas....,So the bottom line is..and there is no denying it..that when I attended fanfare it was filled with very few exceptions people 55 + with unbelievably rare and valuable fans, almost all for sale at prices that no young person can afford,. Being on the board for many years in a Shelby America car Club, I watched very valuable Shelby cars disappear slowly into high dollar collections, and our membership slowly dry up .. our club was on the verge of extinction, until Ford decided to start producing Shelby Mustangs again, now it is filled with young rich kids that have super charged their cars to unbelievable horsepower and party all night long while the older members just want to sleep..The person that started all this, may just be the canary in the coal mine ... you can either lead, follow, or get out-of-the-way, but change is in inevitable!David, I few years ago I bought a fan collection, I gave away a lot of fans to young collectors, this has been going on for a while. Last year at the auction, at Fan Fair, Nick Loos saw a fan that a young collector was bidding on,he bought it and gave it to the young man. It was not a very expensive fan,but there is things that happen like this all the time. I know that if young collectors show up at the fan museum they get fans for free also. Are these fans worth a $1,000 no, but it gets them involved in the hobby. It's not about the value, but it's about getting them involved in the collecting.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 30th, 2019 12:52 am |
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Scott Marley AFCA Member 
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These Ping pong balls are way to boring and sterile. Where are the yellow, blue, orange, green, and my Fav. RED. Red is never boring. Ever seen a boring RED fan? Welcome Dan, from a recent new member.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 30th, 2019 12:57 am |
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Tom Morel AFCA Member 
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I’ve often heard about the AFCA being an exclusive senior club, and it is not true. I have more than a few years until I get Social Security, and have made some of my closest friends here. I shudder to think of the combined hours I’ve spent on the phone with my friends here. I’m by no means a veteran here, but I’m not brand new either. I do worry about our outreach to new and potential members. If we want this hobby to exist thirty years from now, we need to be civil and open to constructive criticism. We can’t take attacks personally, but rather evaluate them for their merit. This is a good club with good people, and everyone should know it. Last edited on Sat Nov 30th, 2019 01:00 am by Tom Morel |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 30th, 2019 01:45 am |
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Stephen Sanders AFCA Member 
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Nice things happen that you never hear about because there is no reason for everybody to know. When fans are deeply discounted or parts sent courtesy and postage free you will not hear about it on the forum. When that happens at a meet it's a soft spoken event with no desire for recognition. I don't post often because I usually don't have anything intelligent or relevant to say but I assure you generosity in different ways is present but usually discrete.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 30th, 2019 03:01 am |
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David A Cherry AFCA Member
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I agree completely with Steve's assessment... I got a little carried away with $1000 fan for 400, we just had Thanksgiving and I said Grace at the table, I told everybody I'm amazed at how well I did and that I never deserved any of it.. none of my children have any interest in my fans.. so if I see a young person come along that really makes over one of them I will try to sell it to them within reason..but they will still need to have skin in the game, come to think of it, a fully restore fan is a mistake, it should be a basket case, they will be much more appreciative when they restore it themselves ...here I am thinking I am old and wise, but it turns out I'm just old.. oh well! i'm still learning... now that I've got an invite to Hawaii I'm gonna start saving my pennies Last edited on Sat Nov 30th, 2019 03:02 am by David A Cherry |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 30th, 2019 05:05 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member 
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Dan Jacobson wrote: I've watched and read this forum for well over a decade and have enjoyed countless excellent articles. "And so my fellow fan nut, ask not what this forum can do for you, ask what you can do for this forum." Attached Image (viewed 410 times):
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| Posted: Mon Dec 2nd, 2019 06:51 pm |
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Richard Daugird AFCA Member
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I'm not much of a Kenedy fan, but Russ just said a mouthful...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 2nd, 2019 06:56 pm |
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Richard Daugird AFCA Member
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As far as attracting new collectors, just yesterday a friend I have known a long time was at a swap meet, and sent me pictures of an over-priced Vornado and Silver Swan, which I suggested they were worth maybe half the asking price. I pulled a Dayton 350 out of my closet, polished up the tarnished blades, and gave it to him. I have a few "dime store" fans sitting around, but I wanted him to have something substantial. He recently inherited his dad's car collection, maybe he'll "pay it forward"? 
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| Posted: Tue Dec 3rd, 2019 03:00 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member 
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Richard Daugird wrote: As far as attracting new collectors, just yesterday a friend I have known a long time was at a swap meet, and sent me pictures of an over-priced Vornado and Silver Swan, which I suggested they were worth maybe half the asking price. I pulled a Dayton 350 out of my closet, polished up the tarnished blades, and gave it to him. I have a few "dime store" fans sitting around, but I wanted him to have something substantial. He recently inherited his dad's car collection, maybe he'll "pay it forward"? Hi Richard! Any club only stays in existence and viable when the membership encourages new members and the "youth" get passionate about fans and want to collect them and appreciate this hobby of ours... I am lobbying for another area or two to be added to our forums... I think a box fan and ceiling fan area can be added and this will encourage the "youth" to come aboard and be members too... I have looked at other fan sites and these guys are passionate about their fans! They can give us a new appreciation for our "old" fans and they are excited to share it with the AFCA! They have amazing knowledge about newer fans and I purposely have sent blurry pictures asking questions about newer fans and these guys nailed it! My point is sometimes we become a little inflexible or jaded about old fans and many think if it's not all brass and cast it's not a fan... we can think that until the AFCA no longer has enough membership to sustain it... I giggle when I think in 50-100 years a K-mart, k-20 box fan will be considered "desireable" I know this is long winded but my last point is; These young guys can only afford these less expensive fans right now! But many of them will get better jobs and make more money and be able to buy and appreciate the brass relics we have now! We need to cultivate that kind of passion! Do you remember when you was so excited to see a little blue zero on a shelf in a store and said "I got to have that!" That is the passion we need in our club! Geo...
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| Posted: Tue Dec 3rd, 2019 05:13 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member 
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George Durbin wrote:
Well-said George! A separate section for box and ceiling fans sounds good! I actually really like the vintage box fans myself. Although not as sought-after or valuable, I like them as much as any of my other fans.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14th, 2019 03:07 am |
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Dan Jacobson Guest
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The Silent Majority around here is deafining! Let's party instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Jm5POCAj8  
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14th, 2019 04:42 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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And here I thought this was one of the more lively and thought provoking threads recently. Check out my birthday cake thread to see how cool most active members here are. I think you're trying to look at this forum relative to facebook pages. They are not the same. This site is more information than fun. Facebook is more fun than information. 
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14th, 2019 01:29 pm |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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So here you are a guest coming to this site for a decade not a paying member. I thinks it's very rude of you, no one makes you come here so don't come back if you don't like it go to a site you do like.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14th, 2019 03:09 pm |
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Steven P Dempsey AFCA Member 
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yes, go to a regional meet
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14th, 2019 03:09 pm |
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Steven P Dempsey AFCA Member
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Party like's it 1899
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14th, 2019 03:10 pm |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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He may be upset at the tasteful lack of socioeconomic, political, and religious arguments. Some people, like internet trolls, love it, and despise places like the AFCA with a higher level of decorum. Some do not appreciate information, and only wish to see how many "likes" they can get. Pretty narcissistic to be honest. Last edited on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 04:17 pm by Alex Rushing |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14th, 2019 03:56 pm |
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Chris A. Campbell AFCA Member
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I’d personally like to thank the board, webmasters, and moderators for foresight to include an ignore button
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14th, 2019 04:15 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Chris A. Campbell wrote: I’d personally like to thank the board, webmasters, and moderators for foresight to include an ignore button
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