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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 01:00 am
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Steven P Dempsey
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Complete, I have an original cage coming.I dig the Patina, Sorry Frank.




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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 01:03 am
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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 01:04 am
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Steven P Dempsey
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Yes --here we go, umm sampled HIREZ photos get rotated WTF

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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 02:17 am
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Nice! Did you mean you have an original blade coming?

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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 02:55 am
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Steven P Dempsey
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That is my hope

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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 03:32 am
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Excellent. Can’t wait to see it complete!

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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 02:20 pm
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Steven P Dempsey
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Will test run it today

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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 03:24 pm
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Nice, it runs. My other 2 do not. I like the open ring sans GE Badge.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 03:34 pm
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What are you sorry about?

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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 08:41 pm
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Steven P Dempsey
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Took 3 Cakes to get one that runs with no intervention

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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 08:41 pm
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Steven P Dempsey
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It was a gamble

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 Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2019 10:28 pm
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Steven P Dempsey wrote:  I like the open ring sans GE Badge.
So do I like the open ring cage which I had Ted make me a copy of my 1898 cage and put it on an 1899 pancake keeping the original 1899 cage with the fan for the future.
Original 1898 cage on my 1899 trunnion.  This fan now has a replica 1898 cage from Ted Kaczor.



Original 1899 trunnion-


I have this early 1899 trunnion with original badge less cage.   I need some photos of it put together.




Your small open ring cage was only used on the early 1899 pancakes.   I think those cages are identical to the 1899 and 1900 cages but without the GE badge attached.   1899 cages had the rear ring the same diameter as the front ring while the 1900 cages used a heavier rear ring than the front ring.


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Steven P Dempsey
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This is the blade I am getting. Rather then a new repop.


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Does it have the oil slinger grooves on the rear of the hub used 1900-1903?  No grooves would be from 1899 and the set screw location is different on the 1899 from the later blades.   You might not get an 1899 blade to work on a later cake.

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 Posted: Sun Dec 8th, 2019 01:13 pm
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Steven P Dempsey
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I will check, Thanks

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 Posted: Sun Dec 8th, 2019 08:47 pm
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Make sure you get an oil return as well Steven. I believe Ted Kaczor makes them.

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 Posted: Sun Dec 8th, 2019 11:36 pm
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So there is another part (the oil return) for this?

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 01:47 am
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Oil return on 1906 pancake.  They are the same for all years 1900-1908 and just slip over the front of the motor casting with a gentle friction fit.  1899 and before did not use the oil return like this nor the grooved hub.  You'll need a different set screw with a slotted head, flush to the hub.

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Here are the serial numbers: (What do the sets mean?)

NO. 51243 (no blade)
NO. 34358

SPEC NO. 12734 (no blade)
SPEC NO. 12733

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Serial number 51243 is 1900. Spec number 12734 indicates it is a 1900 type UI form E 104 volts 60 cycle.


Serial number 34358 is 1899. It shouldn't have a 12XXX spec number. The Spec number of 12733 indicates it is a 1900 type UI form E9 104 volts 60 cycle.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 04:07 pm
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Is this some kind of 1899=1900 cross over model using left over parts? I will double check the numbers, hard to read.
Both read TYPE UI FORM E 104 VOLTS 60 CYCLES

I am sure after 119 years parts were swapped

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 05:24 pm
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Steven P Dempsey wrote: Is this some kind of 1899=1900 cross over model using left over parts? I will double check the numbers, hard to read.
Both read TYPE UI FORM E 104 VOLTS 60 CYCLES

I am sure after 119 years parts were swapped
What I am thinking is that the cage on your fan is proper for 1900 but the badge, which was soldered to the backside of the badge ring, has come off and gotten loose.   Look for any hint of solder on the inside of the center cage ring.   An 1899 cage would have a smaller diameter rear cage ring than the 1900 and later models.

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