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Found this while cleaning out my attic.   Yall have any information about it?  Cant find any info about Colonial's from Ravenna, Ohio.  Any idea how about its worth?   Could use some help paying my taxes and was hoping maybe this thing could help me.   I cleaned it up even more and it has no rust.  One thing I noticed about all the fans I see online is they all seem to be brass.   Mine is steel.  

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That's an incredible find. I suspect it is nickel plated, not steel. Do a magnet test on the cage and blade.
You're going to get some PM's and offers on this. I can't find an example in our gallery.
So, I suspect it is rather rare.
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Yea, you right seems to be nickle.    Are many old fans nickel plated?   It seems like most of the pictures I find they are brass or copper.  

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Thanks a bunch for your come back. The Colonial Electric Co. appears in electrical trade as a lamp manufacturer(light bulb) in 1899 in Youngstown, Ohio. In March of 1900 The Colonial Electric Co. merged with The Orient Electric Works and was moved to Ravenna, Ohio. The first ball motor DC Colonial Electric Co. desk and bracket form fan I am aware of appears in 1902 electrical trade. Based on your serial # on your cast base tag, your fan would have a high probability of dating 1902-03. The Colonial Electric Co. of Ravenna, Ohio was in existence it appears through electrical trade 1902-04. It appears the concern was moved to Warren, Ohio and renamed the Colonial Fan & Motor Co. in 1905. The first Colonial Electric Co. fan motor to enter the market was in 1901.  Electrical trade does not support a ball motor Colonial desk fan in 01.


Your motor is either upside down in the trunnion, or your motor end bells are upside down. 

Thanks for posting.   

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Later Colonial Fan & Motor Co. of Warren, Ohio fan motors. (1905+)

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Ross W. Porter wrote: Yea, you right seems to be nickle.    Are many old fans nickel plated?   It seems like most of the pictures I find they are brass or copper.  
It's the real deal. They made early guards from steel stock. You did good.  :D

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Yea I really lucked out on this house that I bought. The previous owners left a bunch of stuff in the basement and attic. Its like a time capsule. All the stuff is from the early/late 1800's. The water pump is crazy, it used to be a manual water pump and was converted into electrical.

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After further inspection (got a different magnet, i was just useing one of the thin ones off my fridge) The magnet does seem to stick to it a little bit. What does this mean?  But I did notice that while cleaning the fan blades, they do seem to be coated with nickle?  because underneath it looks like they are brass.   I do still think its nickle plated though, just because there is no rust.  It was black when I first found it, but no rust.   I scrubbed it a bunch. 

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If you plan on selling I'd stop what you're doing. Every collector interested in it already knows what it is and if not will ask the right questions. If you plan on keeping it, it's yours, have at it.

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What do you mean stop what Im doing? Like stop cleaning it?

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Ross W. Porter wrote: What do you mean stop what Im doing? Like stop cleaning it?
I would, yes. You can only devaule it, not increase it. Certain fans people prefer as found, others they like cleaned up. I think yours is the former, but it is yours so do as you like.

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Ross W. Porter wrote: What do you mean stop what Im doing? Like stop cleaning it?Yes, and exactly what I was thinking.   Some collectors love polished brass on their fans and polished Japan but I will not buy a fan that has had such a "scrubbing", preferring to keep things close to how it was found.  Best to let the next owner make the decision on how to treat the fan if you do not plan to keep it.   

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Ross, I have your PM. I do appreciate you posting your fan, I do fan history, not fan pricing. You don't have to worry about how you cleaned it, or cleaning it, or changing anything. You don't have to worry about if your guard is brass or not. You don't have to worry about anything, leave it as. Come up with a price that makes you happy and put it on the BST. If it don't sell, just keep bring the price down until it does. How are you going to get ripped off? You don't have anything into it other than some sweat.  :D

If you put it on ebay for auction, if you want some sound advice, ignore the offers messaged to you if you want your best dollar in the long run. Let the auction run the full course until the hammer comes down. Don't sweat a reserve. Just put it on starting at $9.99.

If I were you, I would be proud of that fan, get some advice to make it right, and keep it. But I am not you.  

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Ok, thanks for your reply.    I just meant not getting ripped off by someone offering me 100$ and me selling it for that when it was really worth 500.  Your right though, I dont have anything put into so whatever I get will be a blessing.  

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Ross W. Porter wrote: Ok, thanks for your reply.    I just meant not getting ripped off by someone offering me 100$ and me selling it for that when it was really worth 500.  Your right though, I dont have anything put into so whatever I get will be a blessing.  

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To be honest, I'd say the Emerson is a much rarer find though. Especially with the six wings.

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Rare bird  :wondering:  :cool:

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Wow, I had no idea. Thank you guys for all of the information. Ive found lots of old electrical stuff in this house. I have something else that I cant find anywhere online but I dont think its collectible like fans are.

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Ross W. Porter wrote: Wow, I had no idea.
The first Colonial fan motors were manufactured at Ravenna, OH. under the Colonial Electric Co. name 1901-04.


The more common varieties sport the Colonial Fan & Motor Co. name manufactured in Warren, OH. 1905+


You can send it to me Ross, I will even pay the shipping and flip the motor over 180 degrees in the trunnion and take pictures and post them for you.  :clap: :D

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Ross W. Porter wrote: Wow, I had no idea. Thank you guys for all of the information. Ive found lots of old electrical stuff in this house. I have something else that I cant find anywhere online but I dont think its collectible like fans are.
Well it depends, what is the electrical item in question, if its a radio then depending on the make and model, it can be very collectible... :D

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One of them is an huge old wooden radio that the previous owners told me their great grandfater won on a radio show and it was the first one they ever made and was sent to them by train. Why they didnt take all of this stuff I have no idea. They told me I was doing them a favor by cleaning it all out for them. haha  Another is an old water pump that was actually manul at one time and was converted to electric.  Then I have this old switch that looks like the kind they used to use on an electric chair.   I have a few small ones that I cant even find any information that they ever existed.   The house is in Oakdale, PA, so very close to Pittsburgh and Westinghouse. 

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Ross W. Porter wrote: One of them is an huge old wooden radio that the previous owners told me their great grandfater won on a radio show and it was the first one they ever made and was sent to them by train. Why they didnt take all of this stuff I have no idea. They told me I was doing them a favor by cleaning it all out for them. haha  Another is an old water pump that was actually manul at one time and was converted to electric.  Then I have this old switch that looks like the kind they used to use on an electric chair.   I have a few small ones that I cant even find any information that they ever existed.   The house is in Oakdale, PA, so very close to Pittsburgh and Westinghouse. 
What's the make and model of the radio? I might be interested, and do you have some pictures of the radio?

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Mine looks different that that one.  It has more of the swively things.    It has 10. 

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Ross W. Porter wrote: Mine looks different that that one.  It has more of the swively things.    It has 10. 
That is because your guard is earlier and has two more swively things.  :D

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1902 Colonial Electric Co. ball motor DC electrical trade images desk & bracket. Different guard, but notice 10 wire swively things.  :D

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Mike Petree wrote: Rare bird  :wondering:  :cool:  " Scarce puppy"  :dude:

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So im worried about the missing part in Picture # 8. Im going to need to find this before I can find out if this thing runs. Anyone have an idea where I can find this part?

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That would be the brush cap that holds in a carbon brush. Maybe buy one online that would fit, role up some duct tap and stick in the brush and use the tap to push it to the commutator. It’s worked for me before. 

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Does the exposed wire go in there? Both sides have exposed wire and I assumed you put the wire in there and then screwed the cap back on. The other side has a spring inside of it when I take the cap off.

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You seem interested in selling the fan. It won't be necessary to have it in running condition. It is a scarce fan and will bring good money. The person buying it will have the knowledge and/or connections to get the fan up and running.

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Right but wouldn't it bring in more if I got it up and running?

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Ross W. Porter wrote: Right but wouldn't it bring in more if I got it up and running?
Yes it would but if you really don't know much about these old motors you are best to just leave it alone. You could damage it just trying to get it running.

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If you really want to get it running try and find a fan club member close to you who could help. I think that is your best option. When you are done you might just decide to keep it :D

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Perhaps, but not necessarily. The fan cost you nothing and if you have no interest in keeping it you might want to ask yourself how much effort you want to put into it.

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Thats what I was thinking. Maybe take it to someone and pay to have it fixed. If its as simple as putting the two wires into the brush caps I could do that. Anything more I would be afraid to mess with. I wonder why the motor is upside down? Would it run like that? I assume the original owner just put it on backwards?

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Ross W. Porter wrote: Thats what I was thinking. Maybe take it to someone and pay to have it fixed. If its as simple as putting the two wires into the brush caps I could do that. Anything more I would be afraid to mess with. I wonder why the motor is upside down? Would it run like that? I assume the original owner just put it on backwards?It is most likely missing one of the carbon brushes, Also the motor being upside down is done a lot of times because of excessive bearing ware causing the motor to bind up. Instead of replacing the bad bearings they just flipped the motor to let the shaft ride on a good bearing surface so it will spin.

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If anyone is in the Atlanta, GA or Pittsburgh, PA area (im moving back and forth between the two right now)  and wants to help me get this thing running PM me.   I will make it worth your while for the help.   

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