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 Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2020 04:18 pm
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UPDATE!!!

Its getting UGLY outside, so I was forced to move all the painted parts INSIDE.

Here is a look. All the parts are sitting on the same cardboard what I painted them on outside.

https://ibb.co/YDV1p2b

The grill is off camera painted two coats of blue. The badge in the middle was polished and masked off.
I am posting all this because I really want to hear your opinions, good or bad.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2020 02:52 am
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Almost like a sail blue! Great color to make the fan pop.
Project will be done pretty soon, eh?

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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2020 08:59 am
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Alex Rushing wrote: Almost like a sail blue! Great color to make the fan pop.
Project will be done pretty soon, eh?
Almost! The paint is almost dry am workin on the wiring.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2020 06:54 pm
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I can't get it back in. I greased the inside of the case up with vasline but without a 30's press, I have to pull it out and shave down the sides of the stater with a file.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2020 10:56 pm
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 Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2020 04:24 am
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R.I.P :cry:

I painted it, oiled it, soldered new wires to the stater and put it all back together. It looked pretty (still does)
It hand that nice antique power up hum, but I noticed it got hot fast, too hot to touch. I Googled this and I read this is normal. I don't know about that. But sadly I plugged the old girl in a few minutes ago, and it started oscillating and I heard a weird ticking/popping noise. I thought "oh damm some kind of bearing problem now, or the gearbox needs attention. No its way worse. It was spinning than slowed down then spun back up than pumped big puffs of white smoke out it's front vent holes. I pulled the plug, and it smoked away and I can hear that the sound without the motor running was more like a deep fry cooker!

Now what do I do? Does anybody have any advice on what to do next? Buy new magnet wire and try to rewind it? I've only read about others doing that! Buy another 30's Westinghouse motor (where?), or try to find a modern stater that will fit in the fan case and also accept the old rotor?

Help!!!!!

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 Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2020 05:02 am
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All to common a story for these Westy fans. All you have to do it nick the windings a little and it'll cascade burn the insulation off. Main reason I only solder the wires, heatshrink, and douse with electrical varnish.
It is a two line headwire, so it wasn't a wiring issue. Those can even be hotwired. Something went wrong with the stator. I had a Centrifugal start 4 pole stator I just nicked with the soldering iron and didn't realize it was the shorted to the adjacent winding wire. It didn't cook, because I monitored the amp draw and saw it shot from 1A to 2.3A in one minute. Cascade short where the windings fuse.
You can read up on rewinding it, but you're best off posting a "WTB" topic in the buy/sell/trade section. There are a lot of those motors floating around.

This is the main reason, aside from one Westy headwire job(164864B), I don't remove the stators. You can stuff paper towels in the motor inside to keep paint away from the vent holes.





No headwire splice outside either.




Hopefully someone has a shade pole stator /motor for cheap! If you haven't a way to check the amperage draw, it may be prudent to invest in a "Kill-a-watt" type device, or make your own.

Antique style I made for my GE cake.


And a more practical version for any fans. I run my restos for weeks on these, and check the amperage frequently. Yes, I'm nutty.


These aren't easy motors to rewind, but worth looking into if you feel up to a challenge!

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You wanna see the paint job I did? And the way it looks now?
The first two pics is how it looked as I got it out of the eBay box.
For test purposes I hadn't put the bottom on yet, than it melted down. But take my word, I replaced the rotten green felt on the bottom with a dark blue material (which was a textured cleaning cloth of some kind).

https://ibb.co/PMrFzxT
https://ibb.co/YWWnTs6

https://ibb.co/X7JBfWS
https://ibb.co/D1HMQ1F
https://ibb.co/pn9hVyJ

Because of the camera flash, the paint is lighter than it is to the naked eye.
It really more of a deeper darker blue berry blue than what's seen here.

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Alex Rushing wrote: All to common a story for these Westy fans. All you have to do it nick the windings a little and it'll cascade burn the insulation off.


Could be, if there is than it must have been me. Also, when I was fighting the stater out with that hammer and pin, the laminations warped, which certainly flexed everything attached to it, which might have micro-cracked the brittle candy coating of ancient wire enamel all over the place; hence the slow death. It got hot in the first tests, than it smoked up in the last one.

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Alex Rushing wrote:

These aren't easy motors to rewind, but worth looking into if you feel up to a challenge!
I don't know, I have been looking at photos I took of the motor as i'll took everything apart before painting and cleaning. It's a shaded pole motor, it doesn't look very complicated at all.
I figure im going to do some more reading, order the modern magnet wire, carefully take apart the coils, make a wooden form to match the shape of the old ones and start winding duplicate coils.
I will also take this opportunity when the stater is bare, to hammer and align everything true and flat; plus pretty the metal up some.

I made so many mistakes along the way, but I learned so much! I want to do this the hard way and punish plus teach myself by rewinding it, because A: I have never done a rewind, and B: I feel bad because I am almost certain that I killed this motor.

Here is an early photo of the motor before I started cleaning it and before the paint job.
https://ibb.co/5GbpzHH

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Kevin Williams wrote: You wanna see the paint job I did? And the way it looks now?
The first two pics is how it looked as I got it out of the eBay box.
For test purposes I hadn't put the bottom on yet, than it melted down. But take my word, I replaced the rotten green felt on the bottom with a dark blue material (which was a textured cleaning cloth of some kind).

https://ibb.co/PMrFzxT
https://ibb.co/YWWnTs6

https://ibb.co/X7JBfWS
https://ibb.co/D1HMQ1F
https://ibb.co/pn9hVyJ

Because of the camera flash, the paint is lighter than it is to the naked eye.
It really more of a deeper darker blue berry blue than what's seen here.

Indeed, terrible feeling after you get it looking how you wanted, and then if doesn't function as expect. :(

I turn flash off, or if in low light I just shoot a video.
Is it closer to this w/o flash?


I bought a phone holder for my camera tripod, and since my phone is 12MP(even though it is a cheap one), photos can be shot in low light using the phone.


As far as rewinding; go for it! Have fun, be patient, and don't let difficulty deter you! :)

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 Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2020 05:05 pm
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I found this interesting video on rewinding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdzr3-6jDW8&ab_channel=ToKnowEverything

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Alex Rushing wrote:

Indeed, terrible feeling after you get it looking how you wanted, and then if doesn't function as expect. :(

I turn flash off, or if in low light I just shoot a video.
Is it closer to this w/o flash?


I bought a phone holder for my camera tripod, and since my phone is 12MP(even though it is a cheap one), photos can be shot in low light using the phone.


As far as rewinding; go for it! Have fun, be patient, and don't let difficulty deter you! :)


Very nice job! Oh no way, my blue paint is a few shades darker that it looks in my photo. I'll retake the photo without the flash like you said.



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 Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2020 05:26 pm
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Here is a picture I just took with no flash. The blue color looks in the photo like it does to the eye. Or at least, very very close.

https://ibb.co/Bff1K2Y

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I destructively examined the damage on the motor. cut off the tape on one side of the motor to see whats what. There are four coils. Sloppily wound. One at 12oclock is symmetrical, the one at 6oclock likes smooshed in there.

I DID nick the enamel when I was banging around in there before. BUT the nick is still there under the layer of that polyurethane stuff I glazed everything with. And the nick is not anywhere near the fire.

The coil on the opposite side, under the cloth tape is all black and cooked.

There are four coils, I think I can rewind the motor, I think I can do this.

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 Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2020 06:13 pm
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Smoke up Johnny!
https://ibb.co/xXvBNfp
The farthest coil is the one that cooked

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Oh man. Same pole mine shorted in. Seems to always be the coil where the headwire tie off was.They made it passed their 1yr guarantees, so I can't fault the sloppy winding. My 1908 Tank Stator has the sloppiest coils I've seen, but runs like a top.
Before straightening, cleaning, and varnish. 

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That's it?

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OK, I took one of the four coils, cut it in half than counted the turns.

Each coil has 310 turns of wire, and each coil weighs 1.585 OZ.

So I guess I need a half pound spool of wire.

Does anybody know what guage I need?

I watched this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxLlDxgxKg&t=382s&ab_channel=davida1hiwaaynet

and the motor size/wattage, and type is like the motor in my westy. He uses 26 guage wire.

Here is a spool of wire
https://www.remingtonindustries.com/magnet-wire/magnet-wire-26-awg-heavy-build-enameled-copper-7-spool-sizes/

What do ya'll think?

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