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| Posted: Sat Feb 13th, 2021 03:38 am |
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John Frith Guest
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   I am restoring my grandfather's Emerson 3460 desk fan and had a couple issues that could use some expert advice. First, the pivot post at the bottom of the motor that connects to the base is very loose. I thin I might be able to slide a snap ring in the gap but wanted to see if anyone has had this problem and found a better solution. Last issue I have is the oil points...I found two oil points on the front and rear of the motor housings but no wicks look like they are required. I purchase a restore kit from Vintage Wire and Supply Co. that has the wicks included. I don't think they are required but want to be sure. P.S. Any suggestions on badge cleanup will be appreciated! Thank you in advance! Last edited on Sat Feb 13th, 2021 03:39 am by John Frith |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13th, 2021 12:57 pm |
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Matt Gill AFCA Member
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I have never worked on this type of fan before, but your solution seems like a very good idea. You could also try wedging some shim stock and JB Weld into the gap, but your solution sounds a lot cleaner. As for the wick, yes a lot of fans don't use wicks, especially Emersons, like yours. I have Emersons as early as a PI-241 and none of them used a wick. The ones with wicks will have a brass reservoir underneath the shaft, like a GE BMY. Good luck with your restoration!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13th, 2021 01:06 pm |
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John Frith Guest
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Thank you Matt, I appreciate the information.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13th, 2021 01:23 pm |
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Geoff Dunaway AFCA Member 
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Hi John & welcome to the site. Seabreeze was the low cost fan produced in the early / mid 30's as folks were trying to recover from the Great Depression with little or no money to spend. To produce that item , several quality designs were bypassed including the motor mounting post. Top of the line fans had the mounting post threaded into a cast iron motor housing. The Seabreeze post was riveted onto that stamped steel bracket then welded onto the motor housing. When the grease in the pivot neck got stiff & no longer effectively lubed the motor mount shaft , it started stressing the rivet connection & eventually many of the shafts froze up in the pivot knuckle.  Some then in oscillating mode , used the rivet connection to oscillate by , thus wearing the rivet out to the point that some of the fans even decapitated themselves. I've never tackled a fix for that wear but often thought that if there was enough wear that you could force some JB weld , Pool Cement or even Locktite into the space worn between the bracket and the post & / or filling in the space between the motor housing and the steel bracket to freeze the motion of the motor shaft where it was rotating on the steel bracket, U might could resolidify that rivet connection. Cleaning out the pivot neck and the mounting shaft & lube with a good grease for effortless motion then is real important. This long winded discussion may prompt someone with a better more creative solution to come forth with that idea. Machining a new motor mount post and threading the end of it , somehow threading the steel bracket to receive it with locktite would be a stronger union but I can't wrap my head around how to get that done. Lastly , Seabreeze had no oil cups so U can save that wicking for a fan later on. Good luck on getting it back together. Since it was your Grandfather's , I know it will be worth fixing up. 
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13th, 2021 02:02 pm |
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John Frith Guest
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Thank you Geoff for the valuable information. This is my first fan to restore and I must say I'm already hooked. I enjoyed breaking down the components and am starting the cleaning process now. I will do my best to fill the void with something to keep the fan as original as I can. I appreciate your time.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13th, 2021 05:53 pm |
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John Frith Guest
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Wife just asked me if we can save the patina/old look of the fan and she wants to display it in our Paris themed room. I agree it will go very well with the decor but not sure how to do this so the rust wont transfer. I have used linseed oil and mineral spirits on a patina vehicle many years ago but want some assurance that it will work in this application. Any thoughts/ideas appreciated!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16th, 2021 05:11 pm |
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John Frith Guest
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Got the fan restored and maintained the antique look the wife wanted. Time will tell on the linseed oil and mineral spirits mix to coat the outer portions of the fan. After I wired everything I only have 1 speed active (the speed choke/coil only has continuity on one side). All together a fun restore project over the cold weekend!   Last edited on Tue Feb 16th, 2021 05:15 pm by John Frith |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16th, 2021 07:39 pm |
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Sean Campbell AFCA Member 
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That’s a neat fan John! I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 12” Seabreeze before. I’ve heard of members using auto wax on the fan over the rust to somewhat neutralize it. I’m glad you could get your Grandfather’s fan up and running! 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17th, 2021 03:00 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member 
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For anyone curious and doesn't know a welder, here is a solution I came up with. Absolutely permanent and strong as the cast iron mounted neck pins. http://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/57546.html
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