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 Posted: Sun Sep 19th, 2010 03:30 am
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Peter Garcia wrote: hey Rob the fan pic I showed you, how about $80.00 for it plus shipping?I will get back to you on that.

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Rob Duffy wrote: Peter Garcia wrote: hey Rob the fan pic I showed you, how about $80.00 for it plus shipping?I will get back to you on that.

ok no hurry...all its doing is sitting there where I last took those pictures for you. :up:

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 Posted: Tue Nov 16th, 2010 02:06 pm
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 Posted: Tue Dec 14th, 2010 08:16 pm
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 Posted: Mon Dec 27th, 2010 11:28 pm
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Why is this fan so hard to find?! :wondering:

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 Posted: Fri Jan 21st, 2011 08:08 pm
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 Posted: Wed Feb 23rd, 2011 08:49 pm
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 Posted: Sun Apr 10th, 2011 03:01 pm
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I have seen many of these on fleaBay...They're not that hard to come by. I purchased one fairly recently, oscillator, 6-wing BB/BC, centrifugal start, great headwire, good paint and it ran like a champ. I gave it to my sister, who wanted an old fan. I cleaned it up, checked all wiring, lubed it, polished the brass and she is happy as ever with it.

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Rob,

   I recently found a nice one.  Needs clean up and lubrication.  I will send you a PM.

John :up:

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 Posted: Mon Apr 11th, 2011 10:10 pm
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PM sent.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 4th, 2012 01:41 pm
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Rob Duffy
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Rob Duffy wrote:
Still looking.

Rob, this post kills me. What exactly are you looking for? :wondering: Send me a PM if your still looking?

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 Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2012 06:48 am
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PM sent.

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Rob is seeking a very nice(special) minty example of a 6 wing residential oscillating Westy. I can't help him.....can you?

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 Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2012 06:59 pm
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Are these really that hard to find?

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 Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2012 01:06 am
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 Posted: Sun Aug 19th, 2012 06:17 pm
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 Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2013 12:50 pm
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 Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2013 01:50 pm
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Even if I can get just a stump in good shape, I could always add my own blade and cage.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 20th, 2013 11:35 pm
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Holy :censored, Rob... Still nothin'? Wow...

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I've been watching ebay for a fan suitable to Rob's wants and I have seen nothing at all since he started looking. He wants a 1912-13 12" Westy oscillator in good original condition. I think the oscillator model came out later than the stationary but Holy whatever, just not appearing on ebay. I don't even have one, just an early non-osc.

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you talking about a double lever oscillator?

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I'm not all that picky... I might be interested in a 6 winger that's mostly complete and runs...

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Rob wants a 1912-13 stamped steel 12" Westy 6 blade oscillator.

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There was one on ebay but it wasn't in good enough original condition.

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I see at least three 6 wing osc. on completed listings but they are all 1914 models, not the 1912 that Rob wants. I guess there was a 1912 6 wing oscillator?

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Steve-

Could you explain the difference so I can keep my eyes open?

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Rob,

You might also consider an R&M of the same style. They have a couple of improvements I happen to like: Thicker steel case that alows easier removal of the stator, double worm gear reduction oscillator gearbox, ball bearing swivel to name a few.

I have an R&M 12", DC, 6-wing, B&B version of this- the only fan of this style in my collection.

RR

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The R&M may be a better made fan than the Westy but it's not as good looking I don't think and the motor is a higher speed 4 pole motor using a shallow pitched 6 wing high speed blade.

An R&M 2404 below that sold on ebay 3/12 for $401 then again for some reason on 4/12 for $230 which was a good price for a nice original fan.

I think the big flag cage stamped steel R&Ms probably are from 1916, the first year of the SS R&Ms.

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Tim Marks wrote:
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Could you explain the difference so I can keep my eyes open?

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Tim, there are a few differences between the 1912-13 and 1914-15 models of the Westinghouse 12 and 16" fans. I am not sure those pair of two year breakdowns are exactly to the year but close enough.

The first of the SS Westy has a power cord that enters the base at the very bottom while the next version c.1914-15 has the power cord entering the base about 1" up from the base flange.

Another giveaway is the motor tag with a last patent date of 1914 on the 1914-15 model plus a small circle with a "W" in it on that later tag.

I think, also, that the 1914-15 and later models have a small "port" where the head wire comes out of the motor so, if that needs to be changed, it should be an easier job than on the earlier Westy motor where you absolutely have to pull the stator.

1913 micro date motor tag below with last patent date of 1912 which is, presumably, similar to the 1911 micro date tag models in most ways. Still no suffix letter on the Style No.

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This is the 1914 tag that has a suffix letter as well as the "W" in a circle in the lower middle of the tag.

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The earliest stamped steel Westy was their 1912 model and have motor tags with a 1911 micro date and last patent of 1910. I don't know what changes if any might have been made between these early models and the year or so later models but the very first have a narrow switch handle and a narrower cage, possibly some cages without the reverse bottom curve and the finish was a gunmetal grey. Oh, and the early SS Westys have bronze bearing carriers, not pot metal.

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Steve, what was the latest that these came with internal starting switches, before they went over to the reaction-start style motors?

Internally, these can-motor fan motors are quite a bit smaller than the earlier tank motors. Yet, mine, when turned on, accelerates the blade to full speed much faster than the equivalent 6-pole tank motor fan!! I guess that WH simply designed the motor to be more efficient along with being lighter?

Did the 14' models still have the 2-speed switch with block to keep the 3rd position unobtainable?

The manufacture of these is still not fully known as far as dates?

Photo: Mine, NOS, got off fleaBay back in 2004...

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Fred,
The two speeds for the 6 wing fan did not last long, maybe not even into 1913 but definitely gone by 1914 models. I think the internal start switches probably went by the '14 models also but I'll have to check with Bill Voigt to be sure.

Does your fan have the bronze bearing carriers? And how do you know that it was never used which would be indicated by "NEW old stock"? Or do you mean "nearly new, old stock"? My example is minty also and starts very quickly. The two speeds were only for the early 6 wing models.

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Fred, update on my last post after talking to Bill Voigt:

The start switch was continued on Westy stamped steel 12" and 16" models until 1919. Any Westy with a Style No. suffix letter BEFORE letter "G" will have an internal start switch and, if I understand him correctly, any Westy with the old style "banner" cage badge will also have the start switch and that will include all brass cage models as well as the first steel cages that used a square steel back ring.

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"And how do you know that it was never used which would be indicated by "NEW old stock"? Or do you mean "nearly new, old stock"? "

Most people understand what NOS means.

How do you know your "minty" example isn't an older restoration?

Who'd have thunk that a stamped steel fan could generate nearly 10K posts?!?!?

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Tom Dreesen wrote:
"And how do you know that it was never used which would be indicated by "NEW old stock"? Or do you mean "nearly new, old stock"? "

Most people understand what NOS means.

How do you know your "minty" example isn't an older restoration?

Who'd have thunk that a stamped steel fan could generate nearly 10K posts?!?!?

I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make Tom.
I was just asking Fred how he knows his 6 wing Westy if "New" meaning, to me, that it has never been used. Doesn't NOS mean it's new, never used, but not necessarily in very good condition? I've seen NOS Model T fenders all rusty but they have never been on a car.

And about my minty 6 wing fan I won't explain how I know it's not an old restoration but if you saw it you would agree with me that it isn't. One does not duplicate the original Westinghouse "dull black" paint, at least I have never seen it done nor have I seen original OLD lacquer on the brass blades duplicated so one can't tell.

I have fans that are supposedly untouched (a 1901 GE from a club member for instance) but I can't tell if that's the case on that fan or not or if it's been repainted or not. But some fans you can just tell, at least I can.

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Steve Stephens wrote: Tom Dreesen wrote:
"And how do you know that it was never used which would be indicated by "NEW old stock"? Or do you mean "nearly new, old stock"? "

Most people understand what NOS means.

How do you know your "minty" example isn't an older restoration?

Who'd have thunk that a stamped steel fan could generate nearly 10K posts?!?!?

I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make Tom.
I was just asking Fred how he knows his 6 wing Westy if "New" meaning, to me, that it has never been used. Doesn't NOS mean it's new, never used, but not necessarily in very good condition? I've seen NOS Model T fenders all rusty but they have never been on a car.

And about my minty 6 wing fan I won't explain how I know it's not an old restoration but if you saw it you would agree with me that it isn't. One does not duplicate the original Westinghouse "dull black" paint, at least I have never seen it done nor have I seen original OLD lacquer on the brass blades duplicated so one can't tell.

I have fans that are supposedly untouched (a 1901 GE from a club member for instance) but I can't tell if that's the case on that fan or not or if it's been repainted or not. But some fans you can just tell, at least I can.

While storage conditions can affect anything, NOS is self explanatory.

NOS CAN be indicative of and USU indicates "as new", never been in the public's hands; "minty" can mean whatever you want it to mean.  You can share your time machine the next time the AFCA jet visits the left coast.

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