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 Posted: Mon Oct 11th, 2010 01:57 am
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Louis Luu
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Been looking for a descent GE 12 inch pancake fan...fully ribbed base with original cage and blade.  Anyone...anyone?

Send some pics.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 11th, 2010 02:45 am
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nice '03 on ebay right now.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2010 12:48 am
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Should it have 5 speeds on that particular model?

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 Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2010 12:52 am
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that one should have 5 speeds.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2010 03:49 pm
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I told the seller the same thing and he hid behind the "AS-IS" argument.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2010 10:29 pm
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As is usually covers up a lot of problems.  I'm debating on whether to purchase or not.

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The speed coil is missing, so it's only going to have one speed.

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Louis, if you want only a full ribbed base you are limited to the early to mid-1903 models; stick as is the one on ebay or the trunnion model.

I hope you are not one of the early bidders pushing the price up. Wait till the very end and snipe it or bid manually in the last half minute. But you have to bid the very most you would be willing to pay. Bidding early usually means that the ending price is higher than if bidders held back and bid at the end.

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Sartron 12" 5 speed donut coil with how to diagram is $75. he states the fan runs I guess. Best of luck to the fastest sniper. :up:

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 Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2010 11:27 pm
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Is the speed coil for sale?

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Early bidders are for the most part too anxious.  Though early first bidders are smart as this locks in the bid so seller can't withdraw...at least most of the time.  Sometimes I wonder how many people are actually bidding versus fictitious bidding done by seller to drive up their own price?

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 Posted: Wed Oct 13th, 2010 11:34 pm
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Louis Luu wrote:
Is the speed coil for sale?



I think 5 days out of a week. :D

http://www.sartron.com/

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http://www.sartron.com/

Sartron is involved in Aerospace, Medical, Military, and with a little music thrown in. How did they get involved in making GE pancake speed coils? Do you think the pancake speed coils might be also used in the military or medical or even to send a man into space? None of that I'd say. Music is the reason. The running of a nice pancake (black one of course) is music to our ears.

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What the heck?  Where would I even begin....military, med, aerospace?  This has got to be a prank.  Will play around and see.

Where is the link to the actual item or do you contact them and ask for specific speed coil?

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Louis Luu wrote:
What the heck?  Where would I even begin?



You have their website. All you have to do is call them and say....."I need one of them there 12" G.E. speed coils". The place is small fry Louis, I think you can count on two hands how many they employee. They should have the 12" coils in stock, and are working on the 16" speed coil.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 14th, 2010 12:37 am
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Thanks.

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Louis Luu wrote: Early bidders are for the most part too anxious.  Though early first bidders are smart as this locks in the bid so seller can't withdraw...at least most of the time.  Sometimes I wonder how many people are actually bidding versus fictitious bidding done by seller to drive up their own price?


Even that doesn't work...I know of an auction that ended early yesterday, even though there were several bids. A friend of mine emailed the seller and made an offer, and now that fan is his...

And yeah, I have seen many auctions where the seller bids, using a fictitious account and shills his selling price way up.

Another very aggravating thing is to see some stupid, clueless newbie plonking in bid after bid against himself, even though there is no reserve.

One fellow AFCA member even had the audacity to say that he bids only "To make sure the winner pays the market price" (!!!) And this was quoted right out of the collector magazine! Dude! Back off!! Our goal here among buyers is to keep the price down!! 

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 Posted: Thu Oct 14th, 2010 10:58 pm
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Once bids are placed, sellers should never be allowed to withdraw...I hate them *******!  As for people placing multiple bids, that I can somewhat understand.  These are generally ill inform or people who can't be at the computer 24/7.  Try automated software...I think this is the way for future bids unfortunately.  It takes all the excitement out.  I don't know about newbies...I suspect these are the sellers.  As for the seller bidding to make sure the fan sells at market price....what a jerk.  It is also against ebay policy to place bids on item you are selling.  If you know this person and have proof, contact ebay to ban that person.

If you don't mind, can you post the name of the person who bidded on their own item to make sure it sells at market price so I can avoid this person on ebay.  You can also pm me that person's name if you don't want to post it here.

Thanks.

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Steve Stephens wrote:  The running of a nice pancake (black one of course) is music to our ears.
Let me guess, if its not black, its off key and you can hear the difference.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 14th, 2010 11:15 pm
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Louis, Sartron coils are as good as original. They got into making them because a friend of Tim James asked him to mock one up for a fan that was missing it. I have had several and just got another. The coils for the 16 inch fans should be available soon.

As for the Ebay fan, my opinion for whatever its worth, is the 1903 is the most desirable of the based switched pancakes, with the stick mount being rarer than the trunnion. The four strut version is earlier, then the three strut version. I've seen them sell for upwards of $750 unrestored but complete. They aren't my favorite cakes, but do look nice with the fully ribbed base. Hope you get one. 

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 Posted: Thu Oct 14th, 2010 11:17 pm
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Can you post some picture of the 1903?  Also, can you post the stick mount and trunnion.  Trying to learn as much as I can about them pancakes.

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For what it's worth, I think Sartron has the coils for the 16 inch fans available now.

I called them earlier today to inquire about a speed coil for my 5-speed fan and was asking about the different kinds and the gentleman told me they have coils for the 16 inch fan. At least ... that's what I think he said. I could've goofed this up and heard wrong ... but I think that's what he said.

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They may have them by now. I just sent their 16 inch test coils back last week. They are nice, with 5 very distinct speeds.

Louis, here's a few 1903's....

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another 1903....trunnion mount

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My favorite style....  1905 ...in stickmount. Throw some ribs on the smooth part of the base for what an '03 looks like....

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WOW!  Makes my collection seem ...never mind.  I definitely like the trunnion over the stick.

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Yeah, me too, but the sticks do seem to be more scarce.

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OK... Went to my fan room and looked at my Emerson Pancake.  Feel better now for not having won that pancake fan that was listed.

Please don't post any Emerson Pancake.

Thanks for the pictures.

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Amazing price on that 1903 full rib stick mount: $960. Over a grand by time the owner gets a new speed coil in it.

I'll go for a stick mount any day as long as it's a rear switch pancake but also like the trunnions. When it comes to a switch in base pancake, trunnion is the only way to go unless it's an early 16" stick mount (my favorite of the 16' pseudo pancakes).

To me the '03 stick is one of the most unattractive pancakes. Isn't it nice we all like different models!

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The price on that fan is overpriced.  I'll rather wait for a Trunnion rib base with the switch on the bottom any day.  Just hope I get one soon.

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Pancakes aren't that great anyway. Mediocre motors that take a lot of time to come up to speed. Flimsy cages. Speed coils that go "pop". And they don't look that good either.

They are dangerous with their exposed terminals on the motor and that, if nothing else, should make these fans unacceptable for use. I know Consumers Reports rates them "Not Acceptable". Don't buy one; you will be wasting your money.

There, that should lessen the demand and cause the prices to fall. Strange thing, I see the pancake prices slowly increasing over the years, not decreasing as some BB/BC fans have been doing. People must like them and the demand is strong. Too many people know how neat they are and are bidding up the prices. I'm glad I got mine when I did though their prices weren't all that much lower. In my opinion, a GE pancake is a must in a collection of early fans.

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Pancake sucks...everyone...pancake sucks.  Hope it works.

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Pancakes blow, they don't suck if you are standing in front of them. They are easily capable of blowing your dough right out of your pocket if you let them. Stay away from pancakes.

GE pancakes are not well made. You'll find them with four poles, 6 poles and 8 pole motors. What kind of quality control was GE using? They let employees put almost any number of coils in the motor then sent them out for sale. No standardization at all. As if the workers were told "you put "some" of these inside the motor and close it up. That's all we need from you here and it will be Good Enough". I'd never want such a haphazaredly built machine.

Here's one of the 8 polers that got through QC without being caught. As you can see GE used only a single bearing. Two bearings would have cost them too much. They couldn't even provide insulation for the power cord terminals. That could be terminally fatal. Had OSHA been around they would have banned the pancakes.

Also note how much dirt the motor attracts. With opposing poles you'd expect a fan to repel dust and dirt. Nope, GE pancakes are not for me. I have one that is all covered in fur. Not good! Not even Good Enough. Kim has learned how to artificially color and clean pancakes. Yeah, they look good for a short while until the dust and dirt builds up on them again.

They sound like a small plane taking off when running. Do YOU want to live next to an airport?

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Steve Stephens wrote:  Stay away from pancakes.

GE pancakes are not well made. Had OSHA been around they would have banned the pancakes.

I must agree. Anyone having one of these ugly and dangerous appliances probably ought to box it up and send it to me, where I will see to it's safe and proper disposal...and because I'm such a nice guy, I'll even pay shipping costs....how about that!....

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Steve Stephens wrote: Amazing price on that 1903 full rib stick mount: $960. Over a grand by time the owner gets a new speed coil in it.

It pays to come to regional and national meets. Probably could have found this model for sale by a member for several hundred dollars less. I picked this pair up for just a bit more than the selling price of the ebay fan, and these were beautifully restored.

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Kim, I sold an 03 (stick mount) just about a month ago, it brought $800.00 - it was complete ran on alll 5 speeds and the paint was about 95% original  - blades and guard was perfect with no breaks or repairs - if I had a duck it would drown!

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How about that 1903 trunnion that you and I traded back and forth a couple of times each. It was way better than the Ebay fan. I think each time we sold it back to each other, it was $300. Larry finally ended up with that one. It got a good home...Probably should have asked more for it, somehow it seems more valuable now.

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When and where is the next meet?  I need to get down there and get a Pancake soon.

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The value of anything is dependent on how much the buyer is willing to pay. At this precise time the buyer was willing to pay almost $1000.
I have been looking for a fully ribbed stick mount 03 for the last 3 years. I have even posted on this section of the AFCA site with no reply.
When I saw this fan up for auction, I noticed the nice dullness on the brass, the squashed rubber feet, the originality of the paint, a seller willing to post international and thought.....
I also noticed the sheared cage strut screw and missing speed coil and thought, Darryl for the screw and Sartron for the coil.
As it turns out $960 was just below my maximum and the fan is now heading in two boxes across the Atlantic.
Steve your right, its nice we are all different. This fan along with the 16” stick are two of my favourite fans for looks. I also like the Cakes for there crudeness and especially the sticks over the trunnion model because they seem more primitive, plus you also get a nice brass band around the motor with the stick.
This 03 Cake will now sit on my shelf with my other four all with different badges one GEC one BTH and two, soon to be three GE's

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