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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2011 04:27 am
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Joshua Morris
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Anyone have a heat bulb for sale for a 3-bulb National Electric heater. I just bought this at the flea market and it's missing a bulb.

Something tells me that a bulb for this thing is rare and costly though.

Also, can you run these things with just two bulbs?

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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2011 05:01 am
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very cool, but i know nothing about them, you can OHM them out to find out what wattage it is, and look up what type of gas was in the bulb and go for broke and ask a coustom lighting company.

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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2011 05:16 am
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Just found this: http://www.bulbcollector.com/faq.html

Look under radiant heat bulb.

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These types of bulbs turn up on ebay from time to time. Not sure exactly where to search for them but probably someplace in the antique heater section or where they are listed.

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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2011 06:21 am
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Your heater used 250 Watt bulbs. A 500 watt was also offered. I have the only 500 Watt I ever saw. You can run the heater with two bulbs.

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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2011 10:00 am
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Thanks everyone for the info. I think this is gonna be a difficult process. I don't even see any completed auctions for these bulbs on eBay. But I will save a search for them.

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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2011 12:58 pm
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I have never seen any of those bulbs for sale. They are very hard to find.

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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2011 02:09 pm
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I have two heaters as well as some extra heater bulbs in the attic. When it cools off this Fall I'll get those down.

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I bought a bulb on epay several years ago.  They do show up from time to time.

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 Posted: Sun Jun 5th, 2011 05:12 am
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I was cleaning this up today and noticed one of the bulbs has a rattle to it. I'm guessing the filament may be burned out on one.

Have no way to check it yet since I need to buy an appliance cord for it.

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poor man's cord is the brown extention cord, with a vintage style plug.

250 watts a piece? holy dang...

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Josh, congrats on your National! National/Detroit bulb heaters are considered rare even by avid heater collectors.

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Nicholas Denney wrote: Josh, congrats on your National! National/Detroit bulb heaters are considered rare even by avid heater collectors.
Thanks. I can't find much information at all on these types of heaters much less about the company. Do you know anything at all about these things, Nick? I found one auction on this heater with my phone the other day and now I can't find it again. I believe the auction said it was from the 1920's but we all know how auctions go sometimes.

I bought it at the semi annual swap meet this past weekend for $20. Granted it's not complete, but it really attracted me.

EDIT: Found the auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=130516565742&nma=true&rt=nc&si=aTGtgeW9RtAdUeBAPH8pRscLkFE%253D

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 Posted: Sun Jun 5th, 2011 07:20 pm
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I have several of these bulbs that I would sell...sent you a PM with info.

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 Posted: Sun Jun 5th, 2011 07:33 pm
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PM reply, Chad.

Also, here's an auction I wish I hadn't missed. Someone got a deal here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2eb54d93a6&item=200610255782&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=aTGtgeW9RtAdUeBAPH8pRscLkFE%253D

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Tom Zussman wrote: very cool, but i know nothing about them, you can OHM them out to find out what wattage it is....
 

That will not work.  Heater bulbs, just as incandescent (filament type) light bulbs, are nonlinear resistances.   They have a low cold resistance and increase in resistance as they heat up.   A regular 100 Watt tungsten filament light bulb will only measures 9 or 10 ohms with an ohmmeter (cold).   Hot (operating) resistance can be calculated by the equation:  R=E2/W or R=(120X120)/100=144 Ohms.

100 Watt light bulb:   Cold, 10 Ohms….. Hot, 144 Ohms

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Jim Kovar wrote: Tom Zussman wrote: very cool, but i know nothing about them, you can OHM them out to find out what wattage it is....
 

That will not work.  Heater bulbs, just as incandescent (filament type) light bulbs, are nonlinear resistances.   They have a low cold resistance and increase in resistance as they heat up.   A regular 100 Watt tungsten filament light bulb will only measures 9 or 10 ohms with an ohmmeter (cold).   Hot (operating) resistance can be calculated by the equation:  R=E2/W or R=(120X120)/100=144 Ohms.

100 Watt light bulb:   Cold, 10 Ohms….. Hot, 144 Ohms

oh yeah.... forgot bout that. i looked all over the net for ya, no bulbs found yet, i will keep an eye out.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 7th, 2011 10:28 pm
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Bump. Still looking.

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hmm, curious to what the bulbs look like on? is it like a old vac tube? or bright?

still looking for you.

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I THINK I can just plug a bulb into a regular outlet and should come on. Any confirmation on that Nick, Chad, Darryl?

I wanna be sure before I do something dumb.

Don't have an appliance cord yet. One is coming in the mail.

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You can screw that bulb into any socket and if it's good, it'll light up

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Tom Zussman wrote: hmm, curious to what the bulbs look like on? is it like a old vac tube? or bright?

still looking for you.


They put out a very distinct warm yellow light. They actually aren't too far from a wood fire in terms of color and light output.

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:up: Saw one one of these once with one bulb functional for $165.00 firm. Plus.... the nickle plate had rust. You have two choices......pay the price now.....or wait until opportunity knocks at your door for the deal of the century! :light: :clap::D

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Thanks guys. I'll try them out when I get home, but I'm pretty sure one is burnt out. I think I see a broken off piece of the filament in one and I get no OHM reading on it. Even if it is, I won't throw it away. Better to have a burnt bulb in there than no bulb at all.

The other one I have an OHM reading for so I hope it's stable.

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Russ Huber wrote: :up: Saw one one of these once with one bulb functional for $165.00 firm. Plus.... the nickle plate had rust. You have two choices......pay the price now.....or wait until opportunity knocks at your door for the deal of the century! :light: :clap::D

Good to know I did not waste my money, Russ. I will be keeping mine for as long as I can see. It makes a good conversation piece. Like the guy I bought it from said, "You know what's odd? I've had people much older than you come up to me and wonder what that thing is and here you come, notice this thing that's much much older than you and you knew right away what it was."

He had received it from one of the farm estate sales here in Ohio. He also had one of the later R&M fans but the base was badly rusted as well as the switch handle. At that point, I considered it more of a parts fan and was unwilling to pay $30 for it.

There were also a lot of old irons and miner lamps and some radios there at the swap meet this time for some reason but I don't really have an interest in those.

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I want one of those heater bulbs for my C&C fan. A little heat in the winter plus the neat glow would really make this fan perfect. The C&Cs require some pretty specific bulbs to work. As Alan Willms says you have to buy an old carbon filament bulb and try it to see if it will even make the fan run. The bulb in mine is a 16 c.p. and works great. I just hope it never burns out or gets broken because Home Depot is out of that style of lamp. One replaces the lamp with a fuse to get high speed but it work super nice and smooth on the lower speed and I get to see the lamp gently glow.

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Fan in action

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A heat bulb in that thing would be a novel idea, I think.

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Steve Stephens wrote: I want one of those heater bulbs for my C&C fan. A little heat in the winter plus the neat glow would really make this fan perfect. The C&Cs require some pretty specific bulbs to work. As Alan Willms says you have to buy an old carbon filament bulb and try it to see if it will even make the fan run. The bulb in mine is a 16 c.p. and works great. I just hope it never burns out or gets broken because Home Depot is out of that style of lamp. One replaces the lamp with a fuse to get high speed but it work super nice and smooth on the lower speed and I get to see the lamp gently glow.
Steve,

If you really want one of those bulbs for your C&C I have several that are available for sale.  One even has American Electric Heater Co. etched in the bulb.

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Thanks Chad. I was just kidding or wondering how the bulb would do on the fan. Would make an interesting display to play with for a time but not very practical. I do like the bulb heaters. Never have had one.

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So I was reading up on this heater, and while I find sufficient information on American Electrical and even old promotional illustrations for the heater, I don't find anything on National Electrical. I find no information on the company being renamed at any point either.

Was this heater a rebadge?

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bump.

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Are you bumping because you have not found a bulb? I offered you a bulb or two (think I have 6 or 7 exrtras) but the price was more than you wanted to pay. I know there are guys like steve for example that have bulbs stashed away but probably is not going to sell one for $10 after he digs it out. A suggesstion would be to put in your ad what you are willing to pay for one.

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Hey Chad,  WANTED:   Westinghouse Tesla, must me complete working and in mint condition. And please not more than $500. :violin: Oh and one other thing I already have the AC one so only I'm really only interested in the DC model........Thanks!!!!

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Chad, I am not expecting to pay $10 for a bulb. I never suggested that.

My offer is $40. The same offer I gave you and you simply ignored me. Didn't even respond back to say it wasn't acceptable.

If there enough people that think that is an unacceptable offer, I may consider going higher but it's hard for me to justify paying more than that for a light bulb, especially since I have to consider replacing another one down the road.

I'm not saying they are not worth a certain price. It's simply a matter of what I'm willing to personally pay, take it or leave it.

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Your not the first one on here to be looking for something and I or someone else dig out the part and the interested party wants to beat you up on the price or make payments (not in your case). Granted $10 is not that much but it is not like these just show up at my doorstep. I was really not sure how to answer your email because I was the only one too offer you a bulb and gave you a reasonable price and that was not acceptable and wish that I had known ahead of time what you wanted to pay and then I would never had wasted our time with all this.

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I appreciate your offer regardless, Chad. It's just business. Nothing personal.

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When those bulbs would show up on Ebay, I'd glady pay $40-60 for working ones. That's been five years ago. I don't think I've seen any loose bulbs on Ebay in year or two.

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Steve,

How many you want for $50 ea plus shipping?  Also have one marked American Electric Heater Co. $75 plus shipping.  I also have a 500 watt bulb as well but might have to dig a little to find that one.

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Chad, as I said, I was kidding about wanting one although it would be interesting to see what it did in the C&C.

Also, no stash of these bulbs nor any parts for anything. Just fans plus one fan made into the lamp (C&C).

Chad, have you ever seen inside one of those heat bulbs? Is the filament anything like the bare heater coils on ceramic that screw in with an Edison base? Perhaps without the atmosphere in contact with the element it does not have to be as strong or as large diameter wire.

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