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 Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2020 04:42 pm
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Steven P Dempsey
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Has a new base, all lever parts - - I am getting the stator re-wound, $500 as is, or $700 with the stator doneWill include the "spare" home re-paired base!!






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 Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2020 10:43 pm
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Steven P Dempsey
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SOLD - - Thanks

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 Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2020 10:44 pm
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Steven P Dempsey
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sold fore about 1500 - I bid 1300, hope u guys got it 16666

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 Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2020 11:12 pm
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These are $700 fans. Since when is that worth over a grand?

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As time goes on, lots of iron fans are increasing in value. They’re getting harder to find and thus more valuable. Tanks used to be found for $100-$200. Now you can hardly find them in the wild and they commonly go for +$300 at meets. Pancake fans continue to exponentially increase in value. One thing about it: values are subjective. If people are willing to pay, then that’s the value. Point is, values change, and they are going up.
Tom Morel wrote: These are $700 fans. Since when is that worth over a grand?

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Sean Campbell wrote: As time goes on, lots of iron fans are increasing in value. They’re getting harder to find and thus more valuable. Tanks used to be found for $100-$200. Now you can hardly find them in the wild and they commonly go for +$300 at meets. Pancake fans continue to exponentially increase in value. One thing about it: values are subjective. If people are willing to pay, then that’s the value. Point is, values change, and they are going up.
Tom Morel wrote: These are $700 fans. Since when is that worth over a grand?
Pancake fans are not increasing in value. Pancakes have gotten pricy and are heading back down somewhat. Look at prices on eBay for the past several months- 1901 cakes are down to $800 in many cases. I remember not too long ago these went for 1000+. I will take any offers over a grand for a 16666. Values have fluctuated on fans-vanes used to be 1200, now they're at 800 give or take. Where are tanks going for 300+? If fans are really that valuable then I and many others are sitting on goldmines.

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Hang on to your hats. When the stock market finally collapses like it has so many times, investors go looking for hard goods and collectibles to invest in. You could see antique fan prices skyrocket, and perhaps collectible cars, motorcycles and any number of other collectibles.

It's happened before. When the stock market goes up again, the prices fall as investors go back in there and need cash to invest.
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 Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2020 01:41 pm
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OK, anybody holding one in this condition I'll go a grand (unrestored - but clean)



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Sorry Steve. The price has been set at 700. Paying over that probably violates an afca BST rule. 

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I was talking about the last one I showed, a file photo - - In my opinion worth 1000 since one just like it sold for 1500 yesterday. I would pay 1000 all day for a second gen Lever Oscillator in super 100% original condition.

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700 was for my fan

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 Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2020 03:05 pm
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which sold

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Steven P Dempsey wrote: 700 was for my fanI'm aware. It was sarcasm directed at the emphatically stated comment as to value. It was in no way related to your sale -- which i found reasonable -- but instead the sewing circle. 

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 Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2020 07:11 pm
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Here is one for $1600 + SHipping - - Chad's





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 Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2020 07:27 pm
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That fan has been on there for at least a year with no bites. Chad has a great site but his prices are high. I'm far from the only one who balks at many of his prices.

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I paid $800 for my 17666 stationary and $600 for my complete 21666. And $500 for a complete 24666.I steer clear of double levers, because the parts are hard to find and aren't great daily users compared to ones made two years later.

Emerson values are going up MUCH faster than other brands. Six blade Bullwinkle bladed versions are some of the finest 12" fans ever made.
See how much people are paying for a good condition 21645. The costs are staggering, and that is just a 9" four blade Oscillator.

I paid the same for my 1906 16" GE(early 06' with beauty ring 05' motor) that I did for the 17666, which was made a meager six years later.

My $0.02 anyway

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This is a current shot of the fan, new threaded grommets, all missing lever parts replaced


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 Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2020 08:06 pm
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the left one ran for a minute before the stator caught fire, sniff.

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A stator from a 14646, 16646, 19646, 21646, 24646, and (maybe) a 27646 would work on that 12" four blade, Steven!

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 Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2020 09:09 pm
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Tom Morel wrote: That fan has been on there for at least a year with no bites. Chad has a great site but his prices are high. I'm far from the only one who balks at many of his prices.I believe Chad sold a few of these already for near the ask on this one. Chad' s fans have generally been gone through or restored and are plug and play. There is value in that.

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Tom Morel wrote: These are $700 fans. Since when is that worth over a grand?

Had two sell in excess of this on Ebay within past few years

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I will get a truck load at 700 - - Early Emersons continue to rise while GEs (Pancakes, BMYS) decline

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At FF two years ago someone priced a 16666 at $800. All original, no bites. One of the reasons people spend more money online is that they don't immediately see the money leave their account/wallet. When you pay in cash, it's a tangible reality. I paid 400 for my 17666 recently from an AFCA member. I do agree Michael that Chad's reconditioning adds money.

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Michael Rathberger wrote: Tom Morel wrote: That fan has been on there for at least a year with no bites. Chad has a great site but his prices are high. I'm far from the only one who balks at many of his prices.I believe Chad sold a few of these already for near the ask on this one. Chad' s fans have generally been gone through or restored and are plug and play. There is value in that.The ones that Chad sold were around 1200. Still too much in my view, but closer to reality than 1600. His fans are gone over and that has value. For 1200 though, I can think of some other fans that are rarer and more interesting to me. All up to the buyer.

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Tom Morel wrote: That fan has been on there for at least a year with no bites. Chad has a great site but his prices are high. I'm far from the only one who balks at many of his prices.
That site seems to have a very long list of sold fans so not all agree with your analysis of their pricing.  Not all of their customers are "fan collectors" either.  

And just because an item appears to be available for a long period of time, that doesnt mean they dont have multiple examples from which to sell from the same stock photo.  


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Chad- your fans are great and I have one myself. I don't intend to put anyone down here, but I want to understand why fans from eBay (not nicely reconditioned like yours) go for an obscene amount of money. eBay has a tradition of sporadic prices. If these are really worth that much, why aren't more people clamoring to buy these at $1000 at meets?

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Tom. You have 1 to sell? Put it on here for 700 see how long it lasts.

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To put this simply: a fan's value is whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If someone is willing to spend the money, you have your "value". :)

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Tom Morel wrote: Chad- your fans are great and I have one myself. I don't intend to put anyone down here, but I want to understand why fans from eBay (not nicely reconditioned like yours) go for an obscene amount of money. eBay has a tradition of sporadic prices. If these are really worth that much, why aren't more people clamoring to buy these at $1000 at meets?

Ebay pays up to direct general inquiries to their site.

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Like I said = = =$1000 bucks for a sweet original running original - - -Emersons Up, GEs are down (Early Cast Iron + Brass)
WANTED

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I Click on the bid history and watch and see what the the backbidder has bought. If they are buying 100% with the seller and has never bought any fans or fan related parts such as if they are buying Christmas cards  or figurines and hit a fan for an outrageous price they are most likely running the bid up for the seller ( their friend) . I've seen it happen many times. It happened to me. I bid on a fan and lost by a 100% bidder with the seller next thing you know the seller contacted me with a second chance offer. Case and point.

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Charlie Wicks wrote: I Click on the bid history and watch and see what the the backbidder has bought. If they are buying 100% with the seller and has never bought any fans or fan related parts such as if they are buying Christmas cards  or figurines and hit a fan for an outrageous price they are most likely running the bid up for the seller ( their friend) . I've seen it happen many times. It happened to me. I bid on a fan and lost by a 100% bidder with the seller next thing you know the seller contacted me with a second chance offer. Case and point.

I have to disagree. Have sold a few restored fans to people and it was their first fan with repetitive bids. The best prices realized are with a low opening bid, no reserve and let the bidders work it out. 

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Tom Morel wrote: Chad- your fans are great and I have one myself. I don't intend to put anyone down here, but I want to understand why fans from eBay (not nicely reconditioned like yours) go for an obscene amount of money. eBay has a tradition of sporadic prices. If these are really worth that much, why aren't more people clamoring to buy these at $1000 at meets?
It's simple.  eBay is global.  You can't define who is buying an item or perhaps a service. Therefore, you can't determine those who make up your audience and that means you won't ever know for sure what the outcome of an auction will be.

Please do not forget that what someone nets in a sale takes into account whatever fees are. I suspect sellers with enough volume will receive a 1099 or some type of tax form from ebay, too, though I cannot say that I am absolutely confident about ebay rules because I have never sold on ebay.  

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Jeff Whitfield wrote: Tom Morel wrote: Chad- your fans are great and I have one myself. I don't intend to put anyone down here, but I want to understand why fans from eBay (not nicely reconditioned like yours) go for an obscene amount of money. eBay has a tradition of sporadic prices. If these are really worth that much, why aren't more people clamoring to buy these at $1000 at meets?
It's simple.  eBay is global.  You can't define who is buying an item or perhaps a service. Therefore, you can't determine those who make up your audience and that means you won't ever know for sure what the outcome of an auction will be.

Please do not forget that what someone nets in a sale takes into account whatever fees are. I suspect sellers with enough volume will receive a 1099 or some type of tax form from ebay, too, though I cannot say that I am absolutely confident about ebay rules because I have never sold on ebay.  
Ebay does not always take a commission. At times (this month and last month) they waive those fees if you only list a smaller amount of items. It's true that eBay is global and like any sale, one doesn't know the outcome until it is done and money/item have been exchanged.

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