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 Posted: Thu Jul 26th, 2012 08:08 pm
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Jason Puniak
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i just acquired a penneys 3 speed reversible with the dreaded ge export motor in it, runs fine....but i need to make it safe...got kids up here lol

Anyone have ideas on how to keep this thing from going up in smoke? i am going to install an inline fuse in it, but im wondering if thatll be enough?

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 Posted: Thu Jul 26th, 2012 10:31 pm
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Nothing. It's a design flaw.

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 Posted: Thu Jul 26th, 2012 11:07 pm
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thats what i thought, but my question is this too...i have put an inline fuse on this in the cord, so, will a 5 amp fuse stop this from fireballing if the motor gets to that point...if the motor burns out, ill replace it with a mcmillan, i just dont want it burning down the house lol

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Jason Puniak wrote: thats what i thought, but my question is this too...i have put an inline fuse on this in the cord, so, will a 5 amp fuse stop this from fireballing if the motor gets to that point...if the motor burns out, ill replace it with a mcmillan, i just dont want it burning down the house lolMcMillan motors are just as bad in my opinion. Get a Fasco or a Westinghouse instead.

And I am not entirely sure if a fuse will help all that much. It may, but it may not. Depends on how bad the burn out is.

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the problem is a combination of aluminum and copper wire. i have only ever had one burn out, i HAVE had several just plain die. Tired fixing them to no avail. The 2 speed and single direction motors dont seem to have this problem. Make sure you keep the vent holes free of dirt and dust so it stays cool as possible

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yea, i hear the aluminum and copper dont go together very well, hence the fireworks these sometimes put out...i really dont mind too much if it just dies on me, i can always replace the motor even if it is a single direction...im just wondering if the inline fuse i installed will stop it from catching fire if it gets that bad

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I have one of these motors in a Frigid box fan, I put an inline fuse in an extension cord, which I then plug the fan into. I am using a 3 amp fuse (the fan is rated for 3 amps) so it is running slightly under the rated amperage. If anything goes wrong, the fuse will blow, being that it is so close to the rating. If your motor runs fine (no buzzing, not getting exteremely hot, no burning smells), it is most likely ok. I still don't leave mine running when nobody is home.

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Just out of curiousity, would running it on a variac at much lower voltage keep it running cooler? I have tried running some of hotter motors on the variac with some success. They still dont run cool, but just not nearly as hot.
I have a Frigid with the reversible fireball motor and it actually does run pretty cool.

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Charles Tedrick wrote: Just out of curiousity, would running it on a variac at much lower voltage keep it running cooler? I have tried running some of hotter motors on the variac with some success. They still dont run cool, but just not nearly as hot.
I have a Frigid with the reversible fireball motor and it actually does run pretty cool.
Unfortunately, no. These G.E. motors are wound with a mix of copper and aluminum wire which corrodes from the inside out after so much use. Even though it is a lower voltage, there is still electricity passing through. The heat may contribute but the real problem is the material used for the windings. It's a shame because those G.E. fireball motors pack a serious punch. They have a lot of torque when running properly.

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Rob Duffy wrote:
Charles Tedrick wrote: Just out of curiousity, would running it on a variac at much lower voltage keep it running cooler? I have tried running some of hotter motors on the variac with some success. They still dont run cool, but just not nearly as hot.
I have a Frigid with the reversible fireball motor and it actually does run pretty cool.
Unfortunately, no. These G.E. motors are wound with a mix of copper and aluminum wire which corrodes from the inside out after so much use. Even though it is a lower voltage, there is still electricity passing through. The heat may contribute but the real problem is the material used for the windings. It's a shame because those G.E. fireball motors pack a serious punch. They have a lot of torque when running properly.


Yeah thats a shame. Mine is a really nice running fan and I would never suspect that it could burn up. It just sits in the attic now more or less because I have too many box fans to choose from and I dont need to choose the fan with a nickname like fireball lol.

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yea, thst is the same with mine too, it runs nice and quiet, no noises or funny smells...i just got it for 25.00 on ebay lol...however, it does run hot, but even after 2 hours i could still put my hand on the motor. the fuse i put in mine is a 5 amp, should i go to a lower amperage?

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I have a Frigid-made Gimbels box fan with one of these 3-speed reversible fireball motors in them. The fan was barely ever used and it has a rather harmonic start up sound which is very very unusual for these motors. It too runs pretty cool to the touch which makes me wonder if they made a few that are all copper but I am not sure. It is one heck of a power house though. The motor has loads of torque and starts right up, also comes complete with a thermostat and a massive 5-wing all metal blade. :clap:

Definitely one of my more powerful box fans. :up:

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that is a nice frigid, or gimballs, there....the penneys that i got has the penthouse on the top like the lakewood p-48 i believe..3 speed reversible with thermostat...i was surprised when i got mine the other day, there is almost no rust on the bottom of the box...makes me think it was used in a low humidity envoirnment, or maybe barely used at all...ill get a pic up tonight or tomorrow as soon as i can

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here is a pic of the motor

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here is a pic of the motor

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here is a pic of the fan

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here is another pic of the fan

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here is a pic of the fan causing a hurricane up here

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here is a pic of the fused plug i installed on this to HOPEFULLY make this safe to use everyday the motor is 2.65 amps and this is a 5 amp fuse

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more of said fan...it is NOT on fire LOL

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another pic inside the motor

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here is a pic of my 1969 lakewood with pushbuttons and thermostat just for kicks...it is a P-42

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I bought this GE Box fan off ebay last month and I love it. It's smooth and runs great on all 3 speeds, forward and reverse. I just wanted to make sure this is not one of those fireball motors. I believe its unibearing. I had to take the blade off to squirt oil down the shaft as it was stiff when I got it. It had the sealed plate on the back which I was going to drill a hole in it and put some oil, but since I did it in the front it runs great with good spin down time so I didn't bother with the back. Does anyone know the year of this one? Thanks for any info.

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Another pic of the motor from the back...

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Late 50's. I saw this fan on eBay. You must have paid a fortune for that one because they sure were asking a lot for it. The one I saw ended for over $170 without the shipping costs.

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definitely not the fireball motor, look at at the pics i posted and youll see what the fireball motor looks like....now, these fireball motors were supposed to only be on the 3 speed reversible motors that were exported from G.E...G.E fans themselves did not have this problem

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definitely isnt the one that was last on epay there, that one went for 227.00??!...too rich for me lol...nice ge there though

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Rob Duffy wrote: Late 50's. I saw this fan on eBay. You must have paid a fortune for that one because they sure were asking a lot for it. The one I saw ended for over $170 without the shipping costs.
Ron,

Yes I paid $150 for it plus shipping. But I am very happy with it. Runs very quiet and puts out a good breeze. All I really had to do was clean it off a little with a rag and oil it. It's in excellent shape. Glad I have a good one without the bad motor. Thanks for all the replies.

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Patrick McGuire wrote: Rob Duffy wrote: Late 50's. I saw this fan on eBay. You must have paid a fortune for that one because they sure were asking a lot for it. The one I saw ended for over $170 without the shipping costs.
Ron,

Yes I paid $150 for it plus shipping. But I am very happy with it. Runs very quiet and puts out a good breeze. All I really had to do was clean it off a little with a rag and oil it. It's in excellent shape. Glad I have a good one without the bad motor. Thanks for all the replies.
$150 is a lot of money for that particular fan. I have seen them for a third of that price and in mint condition. I would never pay that much.

If it makes you happy though, then I am all for that.

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yea, if it makes you happy then it is all good...personally, there arent too many box fans that ill cough up more than 50.00 though...to get me over 50, theyd either have to be EXTREMELY nice or just very rare

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i just had my ge reversible apart the other day and found that the aluminum wiring is in the headwires up to the switch too...got a headwire on mine getting brittle that needs repaired asap

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LOL, I have wanted to say this for a long time so hear goes.
PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY GUYS, I'm not trying to pick a fight. It's amazing one person just happened to have a camera on a motor when it burns up and it's forever a "fireball motor". I do understand some of them had a bad design but lets face it they were never designed to last forever. I have had several of the GE single bearing motors go up in flames, there have also been Westinghouse, Fasco and yes even Emerson fans that I have seen burn up, the thermal protected motors can burn up if the windings are not right next to the thermal protector that short out, Anyone seen a burnt out Hunter Original ceiling fan motor, I have and yes Hunter replaced it, but I still have 5 of them that run 24/7 365 days a year in my house. Anyone have hugger ceiling fans? My parents had one the capacitor went bad while no one was home, it was so hot it melted the insulation off the wires all the way up including some of the house wires in the box in the ceiling. Then there are motors made to run hot, Hunter made a 7 blade box fan that the motors ran very hot but I never seen one burnt up.
I guess I will always have a love for box fans because thats what I remember when I was a kid (probably 8 or so) I begged my dad for a 20 inch metal blade Kmart fan K-23 I finally got it and beleve it or not my dad plugged it in to an outlet that some how was wired for 220v. Needless to say my Kmart fan I loved so much ran for a second then went up in flames, I was devistated. To this day I love blue Kmart box fans, if you have a nice one with the box let me know I might be interested.
Ok I will stop now, just be careful with any fan you are running, keep it oiled and clean and enjoy the metal box fans but be aware any fan can burn up. Oh before I forget, in one of the pics above I see a plastic Lasko fan running in the background, for those that don't know there was a big recall some years back on some Lasko fans before they started putting the non repairable fuse plug on them. Lasko would send up to 4 fused plugs that were a 6 inch cord you pluged your fan in to and they locked together to fix the problem.

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yes i knnow...im guilty i do have a lasko.I do remember the recall, and i lucked out, the one in my pic came with the fused plug......Even still, it was a bad decision in a time of need when i didnt have any good metal fans, and i needed a fan to cool down a newborn baby's nursery.....but im about to redeem myself here...

FRESHLY RESTORED THIS WEEKEND!!

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Great job on the fans. That Kmaet fan is one I have never seen. I wasnt saying Lasko was bad, I have several I use myself, lots of people never knew there was a recall. Painting is something I would like to be able to do, I have many many old box fans just stacked up in the garage.

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I was able to get the time to paint them since i took a vacation from work this week..let me know if you want to part with any fans, i really love my older metal bladed ones....either one of the ones i have will blow every door shut in the house when i turn them on.....my lasko, on the other hand is an embarassment lol....honestly, id like to get rid of my lasko fans for older metal bladed ones, but no one ever wants to trade for them...cant say i blame them either:D

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OH YES!!! IM FINALLY AN OFFICIAL AFCA MEMBER....JUST WAITING FOR THIS "GUEST" TAG TO GO AWAY!!!

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I have actually not ever seen a fan motor catch fire and have had many (Hundreds) over the years. yes, spark and shoot an ember out but never a fire.(knock wood) The "fireball" motors i have had decent luck with except the 3 speed reverse ones that just quit. The 2 speed reverse and single direction GEs have a link to the switch harness that breaks, but that is it, and you can faix those. I had one 3 speed reverse burn out and start smoking in an early 60s Capri (Frigid) window fan and that is it. I have been given many fans over the years with burned out motors that you could not fix. My practice has been to make sure they dont get wet, the holes are clear of dust, and they are oiled so they dont bind up...If they quit they quit...put in a new motor or make parts out of them. I also very rarely ever run a fan on the top speed, and never leave anything running when i am not home....i am more aware of how old some of my toys are so i take appropriate precautions... i hope no one ever suffers a fire from our hobby

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