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 Posted: Mon May 19th, 2014 11:35 pm
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Jeffrey Primaldi
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This a creation of mine that I made over 10 years ago.

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 Posted: Mon May 19th, 2014 11:36 pm
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This a creation of mine that I made over 10 years ago.

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 Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 02:10 am
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nice fan, how does it perform with the patton blades?

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 Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 02:22 am
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Nice contrast with those blades! Good look!:up:Geo...

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Kind of interesting. Can we see the front side?

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 Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 01:23 pm
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you should have come to Allentown and brought that!.... Lasko is making a box fan now with those blades... your fan body and frame looks mint clean, what happened to the original motor and blade? Toast? . how does it work!..... very clean!

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 Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 09:38 pm
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Thanks for kind replies! I just discovered this site and also on dtvintagefan site. Story on this beast: the year is 1989, I was 23....ugh, getting old, and always loved the heavy GE 20" box fans. My grandmother had the spruce blue color version of the GE, I guess early 1960s??, so I happened to just stop in an old antique/ thrift shop and saw this beige beat up GE in corner and bought it for $15. Lot of money for a young guy then but even by 1989....box fans were on a slight downward spiral in quality, so this baby was what I wanted, despite it not being blue in color. I took it home, cleaned it up and oiled it best I could. I didn't know about those weird half motors and hidden bearing then behind cap, so I guess it was real bad internally and one very hot day I ran it all day and it just locked up and burned up. I took apart the motor and blade set, thru motor out and gave blade away somewhere. Fast forward to 1997: Costco, I bought a Patton 20" commercial duty air circulator for $20 bucks!!! They were all like $80 normally.....the catch was this one fell off pallet when unloaded and had significant damage to wire casing but blade set and motor was great. Hmmmmm idea! Why not combine my old GE frame box and paint it up to original color and install the Patton blade set/motor in frame box?? I had an "X" mount plate custom made to mount Patton motor to it, and centered it on GE motor frame stem, and added wiring to accommodate it in box. Bam! This thing is nasty! I call it "General Patton". The Venturi ring makes this thing sound like a hurricane! Moves air big time!

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 Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 09:46 pm
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Jeffery,
This is a awesome looking beast! Love the look and the story. What a killer name you have for it "General Patton"

Jeffrey Primaldi wrote:  This thing is nasty! I call it "General Patton". The Venturi ring makes this thing sound like a hurricane! Moves air big time!

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 Posted: Wed May 21st, 2014 12:10 am
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Thanks! I would like to bring it to next years meet for sure.  I can't really use it in the house because it's so powerful and loud! It needs a rheostat or something because low is like high, medium is F3 and high is super cell/F5 with an attitude!  It would be cool if it had an infinite speed adjust. I want to make a video of it sometime. 

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 Posted: Wed May 21st, 2014 12:47 am
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I would suggest that you invest in a variac. I have a feeling it just might be what the doctor ordered  to allow you to tame the beast for use in the house. I just got a very unusual old school box fan that has it own factory designed Variac for infinite control of Wild to all so tame.

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 Posted: Wed May 21st, 2014 01:44 am
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A variac? I will look into it. It would be nice to use it and have it run real slow. Will it hurt motor? The motor is a 3 speed Mc Millen 2.7 amp. Killer torque monster! One and a half second startup from off to high!

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 Posted: Wed May 21st, 2014 11:36 am
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you can set the speed to High and use the variac. it should not hurt it. this is a great story and the name is terrific. much better to save a combined fan that to toss the parts and let it be lost.... good work!

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Dido to what Tom said. All you would need is to buy a variac capable to handle the amperage of your motor. Hope to hear your results............you should be able to see the General work his way backwards through the ranks.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/KB-Electronics-Solid-State-Variable-Speed-Motor-Control-6-Max-amps-115-Volts-/400320343668?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d34f3ae74

I have used these on many box fans and one air circulator with no issues. They're made for motors.

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 Posted: Wed May 21st, 2014 07:15 pm
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Thanks guys! Thanks Rob on link to variac. Do you mount that somewhere on fan or remotely put it somewhere?  Looks like by rating max of 6 amps this should work. Hope it comes with wiring instructions. Don't want a Mc Millen shrapnel storm on my patio.

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Jeffrey Primaldi wrote: Thanks guys! Thanks Rob on link to variac. Do you mount that somewhere on fan or remotely put it somewhere?  Looks like by rating max of 6 amps this should work. Hope it comes with wiring instructions. Don't want a Mc Millen shrapnel storm on my patio.I usually mount those right inside the fan. It should be small enough that you can replace the original 3-speed switch with it. You'll likely have to drill new holes though.

It's the same size as a standard electrical receptacle

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 Posted: Wed May 21st, 2014 09:39 pm
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Ok so this switch actually replaces the original 3 speed switch then? I thought it would wire directly off original switch. No problem with drilling another hole to mount this varianc switch. The fan is far from original now. 

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 Posted: Wed May 21st, 2014 10:54 pm
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Jeffrey Primaldi wrote: Ok so this switch actually replaces the original 3 speed switch then? I thought it would wire directly off original switch. No problem with drilling another hole to mount this varianc switch. The fan is far from original now. Yes.

On these variable solid state speed controllers, there is a trim screw that you would use to set the absolute lowest speed without having the fan stall. When the switch is installed and ready for use, I will set the switch to the lowest setting, then plug the fan in and turn the screw until it starts spinning, this way I don't have to worry about the fan ever stalling on low speed and burning up. These speed controllers are quite useful for turning single speed fans into multi speed fans.

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 Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2014 12:01 am
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Ok thank you! I just ordered one and it should be here in week or so.  I appreciate your help and knowledge on this. The fan could actually be used then. If the speed of fan can go much lower than the low setting on current 3 speed setup, that would be awesome! It just seems the switch that came with old Patton 20" fan had a close range of speeds and the low setting still is enough to blow curtains off the wall.

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 Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2014 12:02 am
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Ok thank you! I just ordered one and it should be here in week or so.  I appreciate your help and knowledge on this. The fan could actually be used then. If the speed of fan can go much lower than the low setting on current 3 speed setup, that would be awesome! It just seems the switch that came with old Patton 20" fan had a close range of speeds and the low setting still is enough to blow curtains off the wall.

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and Rob's comments are very knowledgeable. My parents had a 1960 GE Ventiglide Filter Fan in the bedroom when I was a kid and the low speed setting was still too much so my dad had built a variac kit that would also convert things to DC and such also  and they used it on that fan. I still have it and i use it for christmas lights on the tree (i still use C-7 and C-6 lights some years) . Lately I have found it very useful in taming the RPMs of 8 and 10" Lasko Window fans from the 50s-70s

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Thanks Tom. Appreciate the comments and story on these varianc switches. I ordered one to be mounted right on fan. Another question would be is that does the switch change the range of speed proms from original switch (3 speed)?  Does this vari- speed switch change the high headroom all the way to a super low with changing a trim pot screw? I like the fact that high is super high for two reasons: 1. I do use this fan in garage on hot days to exhaust humid stale air out, and 2. Great conversation piece! Lol! High just kicks butt! I hope this switch doesn't tame it to the point of being wimpy when I turn switch on to high and it doesn't move air as much as before. Is there a trim pot for high and one for low? Sorry so many questions.

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Jeffrey Primaldi wrote: Thanks Tom. Appreciate the comments and story on these varianc switches. I ordered one to be mounted right on fan. Another question would be is that does the switch change the range of speed proms from original switch (3 speed)?  Does this vari- speed switch change the high headroom all the way to a super low with changing a trim pot screw? I like the fact that high is super high for two reasons: 1. I do use this fan in garage on hot days to exhaust humid stale air out, and 2. Great conversation piece! Lol! High just kicks butt! I hope this switch doesn't tame it to the point of being wimpy when I turn switch on to high and it doesn't move air as much as before. Is there a trim pot for high and one for low? Sorry so many questions.High will be high, low will be whatever you want it to be. Just make sure you use the high speed wire through the switch. Medium and low that are built into the motor will be unused.

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Ah ok. Gotcha. Thanks! I am going to mount this switch on side where original switch was mounted. If box is too big and Venturi ring is in the way I will just mount it off from original spot to left or right, depends on figment.

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Jeffrey Primaldi wrote: Ah ok. Gotcha. Thanks! I am going to mount this switch on side where original switch was mounted. If box is too big and Venturi ring is in the way I will just mount it off from original spot to left or right, depends on figment.I also like to use the decorative plate they supply. I put washers underneath where the screws go so the plate doesn't warp when you tighten the screws down.

Don't over tighten the screws, the metal is aluminum and strips easy.

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Yep! Thank you Rob. I was planning on using the aluminum plate also. Thanks for idea on mounting plate without warping it.  I will take pics of install when I get it. 

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Jeffrey Primaldi wrote: Yep! Thank you Rob. I was planning on using the aluminum plate also. Thanks for idea on mounting plate without warping it.  I will take pics of install when I get it. No problem! Glad I am able to help. Do post pictures of the finished product. :up:

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Hope everyone is enjoying the Memorial Day weekend. Been super nice all weekend in PA. We deserve it after the winter we had! Thank you! Well, I got the new vari- speed switch and now confused what to do next. I took pics of original three speed Patton switch installed in GE box fan frame, and also back of vari- speed switch. Anybody help me in what wires would be used, and what not? Appreciate it much. Not going to do anything for remaining of the day just wanted to get fan out of storage and see what to expect.

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Original switch

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Ok, on original switch: two gray wires represent one load wire, and one "common" wire to outlet.  White = common , black = 1 , blue = 2 , red = 3 , green = ground.

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Tag on motor : high is black, medium is blue, low is red. Now I am confused! I assume 3 on switch is high, but not the case here. Motor is made in new haven, conn. Made January 1997. 2.7 amps

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Put the fan away for a bit. Just got an Emerson safety cage 1951 model 12" oscillator to work on. Haven't got any ideas how to wire that variac into box fan General Patton.

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Could you include the wiring diagram that came with the switch? The switches I have always bought were two wire and a ground.

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I can try. At work now. I got a three wire switch thinking since I have a three speed fan.  I do remember that black is L1 , blue is to motor, red goes to auxiliary something, of course green is ground.

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Jeffrey Primaldi wrote: I can try. At work now. I got a three wire switch thinking since I have a three speed fan.  I do remember that black is L1 , blue is to motor, red goes to auxiliary something, of course green is ground.When using a solid state speed controller, you don't use any of the original motor speeds, only high speed is wired through the controller. In a way, you can consider the solid state controller a 'speed coil' and you would treat the fan motor as if it were only a single speed.

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Here is wiring schematic for 3 wire switch to hopefully wire into existing three speed motor harness.

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Jeffrey Primaldi wrote: Here is wiring schematic for 3 wire switch to hopefully wire into existing three speed motor harness.Looks like this.

One power lead from the wall goes to common on the motor. High speed wire from the motor connects to the blue wire on the switch, The other power lead from the wall connects to the black wire on the switch.

Green is ground but in this case, it's also unused unless you have a heavy duty grounded plug on this fan, then you could just connect the green to the metal cabinet of the fan to ground it out.

You're wiring it up in series. From the wall, to the switch, to the motor, back to the wall. Red seems to be always on, possibly for a lighted ceiling fan where you want the light on when the fan is on but not dimmed as the fan slows down. In this case, you just clip the red wire short, or cap it and stuff it in somewhere so it's hidden.

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Thank you Rob! Appreciate your help very much! Will be trying to work on it this weekend.  Doing some overtime right now. Should be easy to do now. Thanks

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Rob Duffy wrote: Jeffrey Primaldi wrote: I can try. At work now. I got a three wire switch thinking since I have a three speed fan.  I do remember that black is L1 , blue is to motor, red goes to auxiliary something, of course green is ground.When using a solid state speed controller, you don't use any of the original motor speeds, only high speed is wired through the controller. In a way, you can consider the solid state controller a 'speed coil' and you would treat the fan motor as if it were only a single speed.

Rob,

Thanks for the clarification on this and the link to the vari speed controller on Ebay. I think I am going to buy that for my LAU twin bladed 12" box fan. One of the motors in it was bad and I ended up buying a replacement  Century motor to replace an identical motor from a LAU Super Twelve box fan and I put that motor in my twin bladed fan. So now the twin bladed fan has 2 identical .9 amp motors and with the existing 3 speed coil switch, it works good. The only problem I am having is that 1 motor does not go at the same RPM's as the other, and they are both identical.

On my LAU Super Twelve fan that I took the motor out of, I put the Century 1.6 amp motor in it which was too high for the 3 speed switch to lower the speeds, so I bought a variable speed controller similar to the one you got. It works pretty good, but in adjusting the low speed so the fan doesn't stall, it is super sensitive. When I turned that screw and stopped it, the fan motor kept slowing down so I had to turn it back up. Effectively I get a high, medium, and sort of a low/medium speed out of it now. It also has a slight hum but overall it does the job.

I would like to buy another Century 1.6 amp motor and put both of those in the twin bladed fan using a vari-speed switch and restore my LAU Super Twelve back to its original condition with original motor and speed switch.

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The Red wire is normally for something such as a motorized shutter in an exhaust fan or a remote fan for a range hood. My range hood has an identically wired switch, the inner fan is variable for sound but the exterior fan at the end of the duct runs at the same rate all the time.

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