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 Posted: Wed Jul 26th, 2017 03:26 pm
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Elizabeth Brown
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Hello Fellow Fan Enthusiasts!

I'm glad I found this forum-- lots of nice folks sharing a wealth of helpful information to keep our fans in top running shape!

My grandma's black 300mm Cinni fan (manufactured in India; likely from the 1990's) seems to work fine, but the oscillation is getting stuck at the midway point, so I know, at a minimum, that I need to clean it, add oil to the ports, and change the grease in the Oscillator Gear Box.

This is my first time working with an oscillating fan, so I wanted to check-in before getting started with the cleaning and maintenance to ensure I'm on the right track with best practices and see if anyone has any additional observations or tips and tricks to offer.

Since I have a lot of questions, I've divided this post into multiple sections. (Hopefully this will make it easier to quote a specific section in your reply, if desired, and also help other newbies with similar questions.):

1. Some Photos & Videos of the Cinni Fan as it Currently Sits
2. Fan Lubrication
3. Oscillator Gear Box Cleaning / Maintenance
4. Oil and Grease Products / Shopping List
5. Maintenance Schedule?

Thank you in advance for any and all assistance!

8-6-2017 Edit:
Updates Added!
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Take care,
Elizabeth

Last edited on Mon Aug 7th, 2017 12:39 am by Elizabeth Brown

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1. Some Photos & Videos of the Cinni Fan as it Currently Sits:

Full Album also available at Google Photos:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UnxPkH1hJygDiA5q1

Fan Front:


Fan Side:


Fan Oscillator Gear Box (Closed):


Fan Label:


Fan Blades Spinning Video (at Google Photos):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ux5PJRtIxBttcY0m2

And, checking on the grease in the Oscillator Gear Box:

Oscillator Gear Box Open:


Oscillator Gear Box Video (at Google Photos):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Oz2QLq4jO2X3wIdj1

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2. Fan Lubrication:

We do not have a manual for this fan, but I found a couple topics that note Cinni Fans have two oil ports at another forum:

http://www.dtvintagefans.org/forum/showthread.php/14258-Cinni

http://www.dtvintagefans.org/forum/showthread.php/5508-Finally-got-my-fans

(I've also joined that forum, but I cannot view the attached photos...)

I think I've found the two oil ports, but would like to double check as they are shaped differently than the ones on our box fan:

Front Oil Port?:


Back Oil Port?:


Are there any other parts on this fan where I should add oil?

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3. Oscillator Gear Box Cleaning / Maintenance:

I searched for advice about how to best clean out the old grease (without damaging the paint) and apply the new grease.

Here's a snapshot of some of the advice found on this forum:

October 22, 2015 post by Steve Stephens:

To clean the gearbox it is ok to dig out the old grease with any tool that works; screw driver, bent end of a bicycle spoke, q-tip, etc.  You can put some WD-40 in there and wipe with a q-tip then blow out with a compressor and replace the grease with a non-hi-temp. multipurpose grease.   I put plenty in but no need to fill the box.


November 9, 2010 post by Tom Newcity:

A thorough cleaning of the gears is all that is necessary.  Removing all of the old grease and crud makes for a smoother running transmission.

There are many schools of thought on the correct grease and quantity in a gear housing.  I have researched and tested for what I feel is best.  After contacting manufacturers and performing trials with different greases and quantities, I offer my very humble conclusion.

A high tack grease designed for open gears is best.  Applying grease to the teeth of the gears is all that is necessary.  You can stuff as much grease into the housing as you like, but after a few minutes of running, the gears are no longer contacting the packed grease and never touch it again.  The grease that I currently recommend and use is "Red and Tacky" by Lucas Lubricants.  It is available at auto parts stores in the one pound tube only.

Again, this only MHO.  Good luck and happy fanning.



April 28, 2017 post by Steve Stephens:

This is actually enough for the gearbox but a little more should be good.   More is not necessarily better but ENOUGH is what you want.   I prefer to put a little more grease in just in case.



Any updates, amendments, or changes to this information?

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4. Oil and Grease Products / Shopping List:

Searching through this forum, I've noticed this oil and grease combination is frequently recommended and used, so I plan to go to the store and purchase some:
-Zoom Spout Oil
-Lucas Red & Tacky Grease

Any other suggestions for items to add to my Shopping List before I start this process?

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5. Maintenance Schedule?:

Once I get this fan cleaned, oiled, and greased, we plan to use it as a "daily runner."

I notice that many of you oil your fans at least once per year.
Are you also changing the grease in your oscillator gear boxes at the same time?

August 27, 2012 post of an article in The Electric Journal by Earl Denman, shared by Russ Huber:

Like any other machine, a fan motor should be given the proper care. On practically all instructions cards sent out with fan motors it is stated that the grease cup should be filled each season. If the owners of fan motors would take this precaution and clean all the old grease out of the bearings and cups and then refill them with a new supply of good, clean grease before each season's run, they would get far better service from their motors, and this would be especially evident after the motor had run several seasons.

Or, are you changing the grease per:

August 14, 2012 post by Tom Dreesen:

The grease should be replaced when it gets too gummy/hard to do its work. Don't fill the gearbox, just enough to cover the gears.

In other words, how often does the grease need to be changed?

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Thank you again for any and all assistance!

Take care,
Elizabeth

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Hi Everyone,

Updates!

After purchasing some new oil and grease, I dived right in to clean out the old grease in the oscillator gear box and add oil to moving parts.

And, I'm happy to report success-- The fan now smoothly oscillates at all speeds! :bigfan

Here are some photos & videos of the process:

Full Album also available at Google Photos:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UnxPkH1hJygDiA5q1

1. Oil and Grease Products:


2. Clean Out Old Grease and Add New Grease:


Old Grease in Oscillator Gear Box:


Old Grease on Oscillator Gear Box Lid:


After Cleaning Old Grease Out of Oscillator Gear Box:


After Cleaning Old Grease Off of Oscillator Gear Box Lid:


After Adding New Grease to Oscillator Gear Box:
(I added enough grease to keep the gears covered when spinning by hand.)


3. Add Oil to Moving Parts:
(Places oil added have been marked with a red box in the photos that follow.)

Back of Fan (Back Oil Port & Motor Shaft):


Front of Fan (Front Oil Port & Motor Shaft):


External Oscillator Hardware & Central Post:


Cage Clips:


4. Cinni Fan as it Currently Sits & Works:

Fan Front:


Cinni Fan After New Oil and Grease Added Video:
https://goo.gl/photos/kNjbwX89Dohr2G3s7

Take care,
Elizabeth

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I realize that in parts of Asia they still make fans like they were made back in the 1950s (but with "OSHA Guards") but looking at the pictures of your fan and seeing the fan voltage ratings it looks more like your fan might be from the 1950s actually because most parts of India use 240v AC at 50 HZ and your fan is rated at 100-115v 60 Hz which an Old American voltage standard from the 1940s and 1950s and in America and in some of the British Commonwealth Nations (of which India was one up until the end of WWI) the "OSHA Guards" (which I put that in Quotes because OSHA was strictly an American organization while other countries had their own versions) were available as early as the 1930s but were more expensive  at that time and was only reserved for machines being used in factories and offices, but then they became standard on some table fans and more specifically on Box Fan models around the 1950s. So your fan is probably 1950s vintage and may very well have been an export model to the U.S. from India. Because if this fan would of been from the 1990s like you said and would of been meant for the domestic Indian market it would of said 240 Volts 50 Hz not 100-115 Volts 60 Hz like yours does.     

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Levi Mevis wrote: I realize that in parts of Asia they still make fans like they were made back in the 1950s (but with "OSHA Guards") but looking at the pictures of your fan and seeing the fan voltage ratings it looks more like your fan might be from the 1950s actually because most parts of India use 240v AC at 50 HZ and your fan is rated at 100-115v 60 Hz which an Old American voltage standard from the 1940s and 1950s and in America and in some of the British Commonwealth Nations (of which India was one up until the end of WWI) the "OSHA Guards" (which I put that in Quotes because OSHA was strictly an American organization while other countries had their own versions) were available as early as the 1930s but were more expensive  at that time and was only reserved for machines being used in factories and offices, but then they became standard on some table fans and more specifically on Box Fan models around the 1950s. So your fan is probably 1950s vintage and may very well have been an export model to the U.S. from India. Because if this fan would of been from the 1990s like you said and would of been meant for the domestic Indian market it would of said 240 Volts 50 Hz not 100-115 Volts 60 Hz like yours does.     
Its not from the 1950's. You were able to buy these from restoration hardware like 15 years ago.

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 Posted: Tue Aug 8th, 2017 03:36 pm
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Never  heard  of  the  place.

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