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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 02:25 am
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Steve Stephens
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I don't have a problem with ebay sellers not knowing exactly what they are selling unless it's from somebody who probably should know better. I don't know what year this stunning fan was made but it isn't a 1903. Probably a 1906 or could be a mix of parts. Supposedly "restored better than new" I don't see how that can be the case with the broken motor tag with no black background, broken switch, cage wires repaired at back ring, no switch knob, and a few other questionable issues. We've seen this seller around. He is or was an AFCA member. I get tired of seeing all his "stunning" fan restorations with glaring defects here and there. If someone thinks he's a great restorer he'd better be and I don't see anything "GREAT" with his fans.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320450591265#ht_2514wt_1167


This post isn't really meant to bash the seller but to alert potential buyers to find out just what they are looking at. You might be able to get a good buy, really, but I don't see the fan as being as "stunning" as the seller claims as he claims with all his fans.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 02:40 am
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Nick Loos
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"Ever See a Grown Man Cry?" Not lately but the guy that buys this fan probably will.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 02:43 am
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Steve Stephens
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I've had two falling fans; 1899 pancake the Comcast man brushed off the table with his tool belt and a Westy pancake knocked off a low table in the middle of the night by my cat. Both came through with damage limited to the cages but nothing major. It's enough to make a man cry. I guess I've been lucky and haven't had shipping breakage like so many members.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 03:45 am
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Erich Martin
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The important thing is it can be saved. I just wonder if he has the broken pieces of the base, then just weld her up, no problem.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 04:19 am
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Just a quick question that's all.

There was a lengthy thread about this seller about a month ago which featured much venting of anger from collectors who had allegedly recieved a very raw deal. By the end, I think everyone had said their piece.

Then it suddenly disappeared.

One can only assume the moderators pulled it. Was it because of the nature of the allegations or because a negative issue was attracting so much comment and 'lowering the tone' of the forum?

Just curious. I haven't been effected in anyway by the seller in question.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 04:34 am
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Shane, the thread became a bashing of the seller. I started that thread and bashing wasn't my intention but to alert those who might be interested in the said 1899 pancake as to the facts about the fan. Same here; just a heads up and to satisfy yourself if you bid that you know what you are buying. If a seller won't describe accurately than it's best to point out some things to protect bidders.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 12:33 pm
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I've had two falling fans; 1899 pancake the Comcast man brushed off the table with his tool belt
Lohyah!! Lohyah!!


and a Westy pancake knocked off a low table in the middle of the night by my cat.

Mmmmmm...cat tastes like chicken!! Yum!




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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 01:58 pm
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Erich Martin
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comcast man makes good compost...... but only if he kills a fan!

          KIDDING!!!!:D

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 02:33 pm
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It looks like he wrapped the speed coil in bandaid. :lame Even though it's not often seen I still dont want a pink speed coil on my cake.

I guess he has never seen black cloth friction tape thats still commonly available. Also at least one of the wings looks tweaked at the rivets, he put the switch spacers on the peice that you connect the power cord to. The cage has had wires very obviously soldered to the back ring. Also modern colored vinyl insualted wires are sticking up inside the motor - why not use a couple of short peices of some cloth wire there and properly tuck it down so it's not sticking up and visible in the vent holes?? I think Steve is right - too - the cake is a later model with an earlier model 10 wire cage.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 03:08 pm
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I was the first bidder on this auction.  Can you believe he had a Buy-It-Now of $399 on it?  Good grief!  I mean I have seen plenty of pancakes that were worth that or more but this is not one of 'em.

What struck me as strange is if the 'story' is true then why would he have such specific pictures of the different pieces apart?  Is the fan actually all in one piece?

Another thing, how does someone justify deliberately misleading people like this?  I have not been collecting long and my knowledge is limited, but I knew that this was not an 03.  I could tell that just from the reference pictures on this website.  If this guy is a collector what are the odds that he really is this clueless?

I have to agree with Steve.  It really gets my goat when sellers act this way.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 03:38 pm
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Description reads:  "This fan weighs a very heavy 22 pounds" . . . . . was the fan weighed before or after it hit the floor?  If it was weighed before this is a good thing . . . since now the shipping cost will be much less with that big  C H U N K  missing from the base! 

I'm very surprised the description has not been changed to reflect this good development for the buyer.:D

 

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 04:40 pm
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It all boils down to ATTENTION TO DETAIL which this seller doesn't seem to understand. Do it right, describe it honestly and sell a good fan (or one with problems if you let buyers know).

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 Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 05:35 pm
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At the risk of upsetting other members on this web site. I'm gonna chime in for a moment.

 I have only a few passions in my life. Guns, Muscle Cars and God Knows Why, Antique Electric Fans. There is "Just something about them." that draws my attention. I honestly LOVE how they are made, put together, constructed, built. Hell I don't know, I just like em. It was a time when, as I see it. America, truely took pride in what they produced. If ya don't drop the thing....it will pretty much last forever.

 My point being. Only a "Hand Full" of us KOOKS are out there that feel this way. So, this Knuckle Head, is going on and on about what a great fan he has to sell.

 Ya can't protect the rest of the population because they are un-informed or just plain ignorant of all the facts. Be an Informed consumer, research, ask questions.

 We're not going to prevent this guy from selling fans OR change how he describes them.....plain and simple. We may not like it, I don't but I can't do much about it.

 My responce to someone like this, is to do the best I can with the talents I have and present a product as honestly as I can.

 

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 Posted: Thu Nov 19th, 2009 12:10 am
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I especially like the attention to hair and dirt he put into his paint job. Must be very satisfying to be able to do such a good job of it. The broken edge of the base looks like it's painted in his photos, what do ya think?
Oh! and by the way, this is a fan he owed a member for payment of work, I wonder what he plans to do now?

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 Posted: Thu Nov 19th, 2009 05:34 pm
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I sent him a message and asked if he had the piece that broke off the base. He said he thought he had it around somewhere but couldn't find it. (Highly organized!) If the story is true, his 4 year old granddaughter is lucky it didn't land on her!

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