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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 01:27 am
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Wes Womble
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Hi, I am new here,


I have inherited an antique fan from my uncle which he inherited from his mother. I have been searching all over the web for Nathaniel Baldwin making fans but all I can find out is that he was a speaker maker and major polygamy supporter from Salt Lake City in the early 1900's but nowhere can I find that he made and fans. please help!! Has anyone heard of his fans? mine is called Ocean Breeze and under that it says "manufactured by Nathaniel Baldwin pat. appl'd for salt lake city utah" if anyone knows about it do you know a value or is anyone interested in buying it?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Baldwin here is where I found out about nathaniel baldwin

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 01:30 am
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Wes, if you can post a photo showing the whole fan that might help. I've not heard of fans from this company but I do have a pair of 1920s radio headphones and I've been told they are among the best of the early headphones. It's possible that some other company made the fan for NB.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 02:11 am
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Here is one picture. It's kinda cool because it has a thing (I'm so technical) on front that directs the air flow. And it does kida look like the body of an old fashion speaker doesn't it. Thanks so much for your response steve.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 02:12 am
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The back

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 02:14 am
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Wes Womble
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one more. notice the front air director.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 02:36 am
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I've never seen anthing like your fan Wes. It's rather industrial looking and I wonder if it had a specific purpose other than being used in a home. Hopefully one of the other members will have seen your fan somewhere and can tell you more about it.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 03:25 am
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It looks like an early evaporative cooler:light:.

I would guess that the basin holds the water and the suction cause the water to travel around the shroud and the "scoop" on the front catches the big water drops and returns them to the basin.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 03:29 am
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Since this Nathaniel Baldwin made speakers and misc. radio equip. I think someone has took a speaker box and mounted a fan in it -- just my opinion!

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 03:44 am
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Wes Womble
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I thought about that too Ron but, Who would name a speaker Ocean Breeze? An Evaporative cooler makes scene though with the name as it is with a name like "Ocean Breeze" how could it not be an evaporative cooler. It does have a little pulley looking thing close to the basin but we (my dad and I) couldn't figure out what it could be used for.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 22nd, 2010 04:07 am
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I am not sure of where your located if you could put water in it to test the theory.

It needs to be tested out side (and not in freezing weather) and the part you made comment on is a pickup tube I think.

It appears to have had water in the basin at some time - by accident or from actual use.

A desert area like Utah would be a reason for a fan like this as the design eliminates the need for a pump which would save money but the negative part of this design is that the evaporation process coats everything with mineral dust and housewives would not be happy trying to keep things clean.

If it works as an evaporative cooler - I would be interested.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 01:40 am
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It looks as if the front of the fan blade has a corresponding pulley on it...  maybe the belt ran on the other pulley, which would be submerged, and the belt carried water up to the fan blades??  just my theory...

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 02:45 am
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If it is a swamp cooler, then you are missing several components.  Every swamp cooler I have seen has a wool wick part that the water trickled through so the fan could blow through it.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 02:49 am
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Huh? Sounds like that might be right but if that is the case I'm sure the belt got worn out long ago. I wonder what kinda belt I could replace it with. ANd do you think I could check out patent records to find out more about it. DO they keep records like that?


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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 02:58 am
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Our patent guru, the uber Huber hasn/t chimed in.  I'll see what I can find.  Many times "pat. applied for" is a ruse.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 04:01 am
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Good luck finding a patent. Nothing from Utah to match it that I could find. They probably did the R&M patent approach..."Patents Pending"...and in real life...there is no patents...works every time.

I think Jay hit it right on the head. The thing ain't rocket science dudes. All you would need is one of those turntable belts. Pulley in the water....Pulley on the blade front....belt goes round through the water at high RPM...splatters water all over the d amn place. Amen. :up:

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 04:09 am
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All I could find is this bit of history suggesting he did "other inventions":

http://historytogo.utah.gov/salt_lake_tribune/history_matters/070801.html

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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 07:09 am
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Since Nat passed in 1961 - the details on the motor will help identify the time frame closer to the build date.

Better pictures of the pulleys would help to determine the belt needed as to v-belt or round.

A string around the two pulleys will give a rough guess on the belt length.

A simple round belt can be made out of vacuum tubing epoxied together for testing purposes.

You might check with relatives to see if there is any additional info available and if more were made.

Ron

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