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 Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2011 04:06 pm
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Mike Crenshaw
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I came across this listing on ebay, located at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270685304962&category=4037&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619 

I asked the seller why the cage was painted black and the seller told me that all 27xxx Emersons had steel cages.  Now, I have an Emerson 27666 too, and the cage, blades, and cage struts on mine are all solid brass, not steel.  Anyone else out there think that Emerson type 27xxx fans all had steel cages?

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 Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2011 04:22 pm
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I had one and the cage was steel the fan was a 6 blade brass.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2011 05:01 pm
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 Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2011 05:14 pm
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I don't know if they all had steel cages, but I would say most of them did. That fan was made around 1920, by then most Emersons had steel cages.

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 Posted: Sun Jan 9th, 2011 12:49 am
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ALL 27 series Emersons had steel cages (when they shipped from the factory).

The earliest 24 series models had brass cages and cast blade hubs; the latest

(1918) all had steel cages and many had steel blade hubs.

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 Posted: Tue Feb 28th, 2012 10:30 pm
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Mine, I was told, is from 1919.

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 Posted: Tue Feb 28th, 2012 10:44 pm
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Bill is right. There's no reason that a 27 should have a brass cage, unless maybe someone requested it specially. The cage transitioning was completely finished by the 27 series. There aren't even any 'all brass' Emerson series until you go back to the 16s. The 19 and 21 series were 'mixed' due to the war and the next series was transition 24.

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Nicholas Denney wrote:
The 19 and 21 series were 'mixed' due to the war and the next series was transition 24.

The 21 series all had brass cages and cast blade hubs. The 19 series had both brass and cast then steel and stamped due to the fact that the 19 series spanned TWO series of oscillators, the 21 and 24. The 19 and 24 series presumably changed in their latest years to steel and stamped. Most (maybe all?) of the 24 series kept their cast blade hubs.

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I would agree, the last series of Emerson to have brass cages was the 24 series, and the switched to steel partway through those, afterwards all had steel cages, including the 27 series, I would say someone has swapped out the cage for a brass one on Mike's fan.

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Steve Stephens wrote:  Most (maybe all?) of the 24 series kept their cast blade hubs.
Steve, I currently have two 24666 fans with stamped blade hubs, so there is a mix of both.

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Mike Crenshaw wrote:
 Now, I have an Emerson 27666 too, and the cage, blades, and cage struts on mine are all solid brass, not steel.  Anyone else out there think that Emerson type 27xxx fans all had steel cages?


Hey Mike, tell us about the hub and spider on your 27666. Is your hub steel or cast iron? If your hub/spider is steel, is it painted black or gold?

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 Posted: Wed Feb 29th, 2012 06:09 am
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Steve Stephens wrote:
The 21 series all had brass cages and cast blade hubs.

That is unfortunately not correct. Have a look at the John Witt book if you have a copy.

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Russ Huber wrote: Mike Crenshaw wrote:
 Now, I have an Emerson 27666 too, and the cage, blades, and cage struts on mine are all solid brass, not steel.  Anyone else out there think that Emerson type 27xxx fans all had steel cages?


Hey Mike, tell us about the hub and spider on your 27666. Is your hub steel or cast iron? If your hub/spider is steel, is it painted black or gold?


The hub that holds the blades appears to be steel.  It has no paint on it; it has been all but stripped off when the fan was restored, leaving only the silver-gray of the metal with a few small scattered splotches of brass colored paint.

A magnet test on the struts that hold the cage has just also revealed the struts to be solid brass, too!

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Mike Crenshaw wrote:
Russ Huber wrote: Mike Crenshaw wrote:
 The hub that holds the blades appears to be steel.  It has no paint on it; it has been all but stripped off when the fan was restored, leaving only the silver-gray of the metal with a few small scattered splotches of brass colored paint.

The hub would been black for a 27xxx. Also sounds like the guard and struts could of been swapped out with brass in the past being it was restored.

The 27xxx series started production with embossed speed numbers and then changed to the indentations with painted numbers. Also....the earlier 27xxx models had ball detents, or ratchet case oscillator wheels. How would I know?.......I owned one. The 27xxx series appears to be the last to sport the vulnerable ratchet case wheels.

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Nicholas Denney wrote:
Steve Stephens wrote:
The 21 series all had brass cages and cast blade hubs.

That is unfortunately not correct. Have a look at the John Witt book if you have a copy.

Nick, I am not sure where you are looking in Witt's book but I maintain that all 21 series had brass cages and cast hubs. How do you see that some 21s may have had either steel cage and/or stamped hubs if the first of the succeeding model, the 24 series, came out with brass and cast which is fact?

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Steve Stephens wrote:
I maintain that all 21 series had brass cages and cast hubs. How do you see that some 21s may have had either steel cage and/or stamped hubs if the first of the succeeding model, the 24 series, came out with brass and cast which is fact?

It is identified in plain print in the listing of the 21646 model fan. I know the book has a bounty of errors in it, but I would tend to trust a 'large' statement like that one.

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I think you are looking at p.25 in Witt's book where it says "Both these examples have brass blades and guard. The cast iron hub was also still used, but was soon replaced by stamped steel"

That's true; the cast hubs were soon replaced with stamped steel...on the 24 series but not the 21 series which remained cast and brass.

Then it shows prices for (I assume the 21646) with Brass Blades/Steel Guard

I highly doubt that Emerson ever made a 21 series with steel guard and also think that the book is in error there.

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Steve is correct, Nick; the 21xxx series encompassed 1914 thru 1916, during

which All Emersons had brass cages.  The 24zzz series came out in 1917, were

switched to steel cages in 1918 (? possibly late 1917?), and were replaced

by the 27 series in 1919, as the last 19 series were by the 26 series.  (this marked

the end of Emerson trunion mount non-oscillators.)

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Bill Voigt wrote:
Steve is correct, Nick; the 21xxx series encompassed 1914 thru 1916, during

which All Emersons had brass cages.  The 24zzz series came out in 1917, were

switched to steel cages in 1918 (? possibly late 1917?), and were replaced

by the 27 series in 1919, as the last 19 series were by the 26 series.  (this marked

the end of Emerson trunion mount non-oscillators.)


1918.

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Bill Voigt wrote:
Steve is correct, Nick; the 21xxx series encompassed 1914 thru 1916, during

which All Emersons had brass cages.  The 24zzz series came out in 1917, were

switched to steel cages in 1918 (? possibly late 1917?), and were replaced

by the 27 series in 1919, as the last 19 series were by the 26 series.  (this marked

the end of Emerson trunion mount non-oscillators.)


Trunnions dropped in 19. Pressed steel felt covered base plates introduced.

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Bill Voigt wrote:
Steve is correct, Nick; the 21xxx series encompassed 1914 thru 1916, during

which All Emersons had brass cages.  The 24zzz series came out in 1917, were

switched to steel cages in 1918 (? possibly late 1917?), and were replaced

by the 27 series in 1919, as the last 19 series were by the 26 series.  (this marked

the end of Emerson trunion mount non-oscillators.)


24xxx series new on the market in 17.

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That particular fan on eBay is missing the ball detent and the grommets are definitely wrong. It looks like someone gerry rigged the mechanism where the ball detent was located. Definitely NOT worth the asking price if indeed the ball detent is missing. And definitely not a "restored" fan for sure. Crazy goofy stuff on eBay sometimes.

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The seller thanked me for the information which I provided him and adjusted the listing with a lower opening bid. The model number is still shown incorrectly as 2466 (rather than 24666) but at least now he knows that the fan is missing a rather expensive part (the ball detent) and has adjusted his expectations accordingly. He was very gracious in his response which was very refreshing.

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Did you post this on the wrong thread? This is a zombie thread 8 years old.
Cheers,
Bill

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You might be right Bill. My bad. This is the fan I'm referring to:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/183841996281?ul_noapp=true


Last edited on Wed Jun 12th, 2019 08:36 pm by David Kilnapp

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Cool fan with the clever fixes.
Cheers,
Bill

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