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 Posted: Wed Apr 6th, 2011 02:57 am
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Hi all.  I am seeking out some info regarding my Emerson 79648AX.  It's around 21 inches tall and was manufactured in 1952.

My grandparents owned a hardware store and I have several items they used in the store.  One of them is the Emerson.  It's been in my grandmother's closet for a long time, but there is a bit of rust on the blades, which make me think it was stored in her pool cabana for a while. :shock:

Anyway, it runs well.  I'd like to have it restored, I think all it really needs is a good cleaning, but I have no idea where to take it for restoration.  I live in the SE USA.
 
There is a bit of wear on the black paint, but I actually like that.  However, I am wondering if there is something I could use on the blades for the rust, like, immediately.

I've had a hard time finding info about this fan, what it may be worth, whether I should leave it alone or restore it.  I've also wondered, after reading these forums, if it's going to "run hot" or if there is something special I need to adjust or check before running it for any length of time.  Could someone give me a quick rundown on this fan?  I've actually been scouring the antique stores in my area for an older metal fan, and just found this at grandmother's house this past weekend...  surprise!

ALSO, I've figured out how to date it, but I'm wondering what the model numbers and the "AX" signifies.  Any information would be highly appreciated. 

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 Posted: Wed Apr 6th, 2011 03:21 am
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They are a shaded pole motor. The shaded pole would been cheaper to make. This 12" AX model was all black as well. You can have fun with these fans based on their construction. Stick a magnet on your base...it won't stick as it is made of aluminum. Aluminum polishes up to a nice luster. :up:

If you want to keep it original strip the paint from your blade and use a fine wet dry to get the rust off. Carefully paint the blade with black Rustoleum appliance epoxy. You won't need a primer with the appliance epoxy. Just make sure the metal surfaces are clean and slick. Good Luck.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 6th, 2011 03:42 am
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Thank you for the info.  I tried the magnet and it DID stick?! 


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DALLAS B wrote:
I tried the magnet and it DID stick?! 




I bet yours is earlier than 52? Do you have a two wire head cord?

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that means it's a cast iron base, meaning the base won't polish up, so just ignore that part, i have the 12 inch version of this fan, a nice daily runner, well built despite the shaded pole motor, not worth much, maybe $50 tops in good shape, but still well made fans.:up:

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Russ Huber wrote:
DALLAS B wrote:
I tried the magnet and it DID stick?! 




I bet yours is earlier than 52? Do you have a two wire head cord?

beat me to it:hammer: mine has a cast iron base as well with a date code of 52, it's a 79646AX as well.

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Russ Huber wrote:
DALLAS B wrote:
I tried the magnet and it DID stick?! 




I bet yours is earlier than 52? Do you have a two wire head cord?

oh, and a two wire head cord on mine as well.

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Upon closer inspection, it does look like it has 2 wires (wrapped together).  The little 2 digit code is 32.

And it's HEAVY.  It has to be cast iron or pot metal (same thing?) because there is rust on the base plate on the bottom.  Not sure how to post pics?

What would be the best way to clean this up, or is it even worth messing with?  I like it because it was in my grandparents' store, so it's sentimental to me, but I'd love to have it all polished up and looking good.  It runs surprisingly well.

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Also, I believe this vintage/antique fan bug has bitten me.  I'm in for it now, aren't I?  My husband is just shaking his head...

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The base plate on the bottom is Steel. Pot metal does not attract a magnet. Put that magnet on the middle of the base and see if it sticks please. NOT the bottom base plate! They are two separate pieces.

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It does stick on the middle part. 

Wonder how I could clean up the rust without further damaging the paint?

My father apparently also used this fan, because he stuck a STICKER (grrrr...) of his fraternity on the name badge.  I'd like to get that dang thing off, too.

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Post a picture of the fan if you can.

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DALLAS B wrote:
It has to be cast iron or pot metal (same thing?)
While both pot metal and cast iron come out of a hot (very hot!) pot, cast iron is, by far, the better metal for fans.

Pot metal is an alloy (mixture) of zinc and other metals and can and does very in quality and durability. Century fans after the first 5 speed ones, were mostly made of pot metal and, over time, the metal on many of those fans has started to self destruct. Many other makers had decent pot metal in their fans but consider it to be a weak point to check for.

To post a photo click on Choose File when you post (or edit an existing post). Not sure I can explain how as I just do it. You really can't screw up as you can always edit your post to fix things. Just give it a try.

If you have photos on Photobucket or Fliker, etc. copy the "IMG Code" and paste it into the body of your post. This way many photos can be added to a single post.

Try to find out where you live. Then ask here where/when a regional fan meet is being held and see if you and hubby can attend. Usually no cost (maybe bring some food or drink) to go and you don't have to be a club member. If you think your bug is big now wait until you see a gaggle or fans at a meet or at the annual Fanfair.

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And here's another pic. 

Thanks for the info on the pot metal and the cast iron.  I'm going to check on a meet nearby! 


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If that fan dates later than mid to late 40s I'll eat it. :up: Looks like a two wire head cord? If so, it more than likely has 6 shaded poles?

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Tell me where to look for the poles and I will!  :D

Here's another.  (And I'm sorry about the quality of the pics, I hate my camera.  HATE it.) 


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Don't sweat the poles. Aluminum would of been precious stuff in WW11. I have no means of proof to talk smart, but that date code stuff has to be PROVEN as well? Anyone have any documention to support the date code formula? Or did someone just make it gospel cause it just feels right? :wondering: I mean no disrespect....but does anyone have documention to support the date code formula?

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Haahaa!  I wondered the same thing about the date codes.  My grandmother says it came "from the hardware store", which my family bought from the previous owner in the 40s.  I know Dad took it to college (got the sticker off!) in the late 60s. 

And it weighs 21 lbs.  From base to top of cage is 22 inches and it's 17 inches wide.  It does still oscillate and is very quiet, but it can sho''nuff run.

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my Emerson 79646 AX has the blue badge, a date code of 32, a cast iron base and a shaded 6 pole motor. and i thought the shaded pole motor patent wasn't filed until the 50's but that doesn't mean it wasn't manufactured prior to that, i wonder how correct the dating thing is, quite interesting.

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Russ Huber wrote: Don't sweat the poles. Aluminum would of been precious stuff in WW11. I have no means of proof to talk smart, but that date code stuff has to be PROVEN as well? Anyone have any documention to support the date code formula? Or did someone just make it gospel cause it just feels right? :wondering: I mean no disrespect....but does anyone have documention to support the date code formula?
The date code info came from Bill Kreiner, who got it from a guy who used to work at Emerson. So the information comes by word of mouth.

To me proof comes in the form of the catalogs, I have a 1948 Emerson catalog which lists a 16" Ivory 77 series oscillator - Model is 77648 AO. I own a 77648 AO, it has a little "28" in the lower RH corner of the tag - which yields 48 when you add 20 to it and in turn tells me the fan was made in 1948.

I also have a 1942 and '47 Emerson catalog showing a 12" Black 77 series oscillator - Model 77646 AL. A friend on DT has 77646 AL with "22" on the tag and I gave a friend a 77646 AL with "27" on the tag. That lines up with 1942 and 47.

That enough for ya Russ?

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Duane Burright wrote:
Russ Huber wrote: Don't sweat the poles. Aluminum would of been precious stuff in WW11. I have no means of proof to talk smart, but that date code stuff has to be PROVEN as well? Anyone have any documention to support the date code formula? Or did someone just make it gospel cause it just feels right? :wondering: I mean no disrespect....but does anyone have documention to support the date code formula?
The date code info came from Bill Kreiner, who got it from a guy who used to work at Emerson. So the information comes by word of mouth.

To me proof comes in the form of the catalogs, I have a 1948 Emerson catalog which lists a 16" Ivory 77 series oscillator - Model is 77648 AO. I own a 77648 AO, it has a little "28" in the lower RH corner of the tag - which yields 48 when you add 20 to it and in turn tells me the fan was made in 1948.

I also have a 1942 and '47 Emerson catalog showing a 12" Black 77 series oscillator - Model 77646 AL. A friend on DT has 77646 AL with "22" on the tag and I gave a friend a 77646 AL with "27" on the tag. That lines up with 1942 and 47.

That enough for ya Russ?


No. :D Actually, I anticipated a post from you Duane. I know you feel strongly about this dating formula from past post, and there a others. I know Bill Kreiner shared this information. And to ease things up I am not saying there is no validity to what he shared. What I am saying is there is no documentation to support what Bill shared as of yet from Emerson ? If the guy from Emerson shared it by word of mouth it is not gospel. Thank God for catalogs! Facts...there are Google books I am trying my best to use discretion on. Why?...because they have information that can suck you in, but is simply not correct. I have been stung by them...Loren has been stung by them I am sure. This date formula is not life and death by an means. If you dig it I sure am not going go to the Supreme court with this issue. Anyone can believe in what they want to believe in....right,wrong, documented or not.

In a nut shell......many of us have excepted this dating formula as fact based on.....it feels and looks good to me! :clap::D

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i trust the dating system, my thought is that Emerson pulled a G.ood E.nough on us and was using up older cast iron bases on some of these, while using the new aluminum ones on others, cutting costs.:up:

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Here's some of my blue badge ones.The first one is a 79648-AU.I noticed it says 1.2 amps and yours has 1.4.The little 29 on mine has been stamped over with a 30.This one has the non magnetic base.





Here's a 79646-AX.This one also has a non magnetic base.It has a 32 and has been stamped over with a 33.





Here is my little 2450-H.It's little number is 33.It has a magnetic base.



 

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Good work Logan! Now...we are not here to make a fool of anyone. My point was only that Bill held to physical proof I am aware of to support his claim. So.........anyone have any catalog support on that 2450-H of Logan's with the cast iron base? Witt's book only supports single letter suffix in the 40s that I am aware of.

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Russ Huber wrote: What I am saying is there is no documentation to support what Bill shared as of yet from Emerson ? If the guy from Emerson shared it by word of mouth it is not gospel. Thank God for catalogs!
Couldn't the catalogs be that documentation?

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Duane, I am not out against Bill's claim, so we have this clear. To be honest with you he has me sold on it for most part. I hold nothing in my possession to disprove this formula. I will say at times I question it however. This post is one of those times. Even if there is catalog material to support these cast iron base fans in the 50s........we still lack the factual documentation to STATE to others this is a LEGIT method to date these fans. Yet...we take the liberties to do so. I hope I am making sense. I do try much better than in past to present fan history with strong support.

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okay, here in the background is my emerson 79646AX with a cast iron base and date code of 32. i still think it's possible that Emerson was using up left over bases.

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oh and an added difference between mine and Logan's aluminum one is that his has cast numbers while mine are in gold paint.:up:

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i think this subject should be kept alive. as the difference here between the cast iron base and aluminum seems to be stamped numbers vs painted. i'm curious to see what others come up with.

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I've found one of these in a local flea market but its missing the switch and has had a single on off switch wired into the power cord. They're asking 20 bucks firm, pass it up or is it worth that much for parts? It does work, not sure if it oscillates though.

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Probably too late, but I would have bought it for a 20 spot. If only for parts. 

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Ok thanks

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