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 Posted: Wed May 28th, 2014 02:11 am
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William Dunlap
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David Hoatson wrote: The funny thing is the "GE" emblem flipped around. It's like when a guy gets a Chinese word tattooed upside down. My ex wife is from Japan. I got a kick out of having her translate tattoos that people put on their bodies. Ie. Mosquito and Dirty were two of my favorites.Cheers,Bill

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 Posted: Thu May 29th, 2014 10:04 pm
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David Hoatson
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She's up for sale. 

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 Posted: Sat Jun 7th, 2014 04:49 pm
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David Hoatson
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I've got some bidders for the Singer, so it looks like I'm going to have to say goodbye. :cry:

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 Posted: Sun Jun 8th, 2014 02:18 am
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I am still kicking myself. I passed up a near mint Diehl with a brass base for $100 because I thought it was a repro.

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 Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2014 12:33 am
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Russ is correct.. We have learned so much in just the last three or four years. I relied on paper and family and now we have google books and archives and etc. I knew I would probably make errors but someone had to take the plunge and I did to get the ball rolling..

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 Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2014 03:54 am
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Loren Haroldson wrote: Russ is correct.. We have learned so much in just the last three or four years. I relied on paper and family and now we have google books and archives and etc. I knew I would probably make errors but someone had to take the plunge and I did to get the ball rolling..
You and others did as good as you could until the books opened up.  I have read your attempts to get information on the genealogy websites of the late 90s. Frustrating to say the least for anyone.  Some hold and held the ephemera of years back to help back then.  The additional google books in recent years opened even more doorways to knowledge to the ephemera held by members.

 
Menominee still holds a fair amount of mystery regarding their mid to late 1890s fans.  The Menominee Zephyr has yet to reveal its image and introduction in a Google book. The dating and images of the roundballs along with other Menominee fan motors between 11 and 15 remain at large.

 
Will a Bergmann & Co. Catalogue pop in dating 81-82 with an Edison motor and blade?  Edward Johnson and Bergmann in a 94 book made mention of a distinct possibility there is an image of a fan motor with blade, or blade in a catalogue of that time period.  I hope it does and Wheeler will have to step down as Mr. fan.  Wheeler could only prove and make statement of a fan motor on the table in 86. Prior to 86 Wheeler was blowing hot air to the public .

Stick around Loren, the fun is not done.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 22nd, 2014 03:09 am
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David Hoatson
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A similar fan for sale in Australia. I can't see it being worth $500. 

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 Posted: Mon Dec 22nd, 2014 03:10 am
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David Hoatson
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 Posted: Mon Dec 22nd, 2014 03:11 am
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David Hoatson
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You don't see many Singers (or at least I don't). 

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 Posted: Mon Dec 22nd, 2014 12:49 pm
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David Hoatson wrote: The shaded pole AC technology must have been less expensive than armatures, commutators, brushes, centrifugal start switches, and even inductively-delayed start winding (Emerson). I think that one thing that makes the GE pancake desireable is its simplicity.  I believe all AC fans are shaded pole today.  Darwin was correct - long live evolution (sorry Nebraska school board). :P
Interesting in that both GE and Westinghouse who started out with shaded pole motors, went over to centrifugal switch motors instead, before going to phase shift. At last the circle was complete when they all came back over to shaded pole!!

12" and larger fans today are not shaded pole. They are mostly PSC.

Those brass SE (Singapore Electric) fans as shown above: Everybody loves to put them down as cheap, trash, pot metal junk and other names I can't type here...These are beautiful machines!! There are no real pedestal fans sold in the US, other than cheap plastic...Or expensive-to-buy, but cheap metal retro desk fans made with cages so dense that you cannot even see the blades inside, let alone get any breeze from them. But the SE fans are not only brass blade and cage, they are 6-wing, the cages are open traditional S-wire and regardless in that they were made today, they look like they were made in the 1920's. I have friends who own these fans and none have had any problems with them, most having been run for multiple years service. I have a friend in Thailand who is working on getting me the SE 12" 6-wing desk fan. These SE fans might not be able to compare in total quality like our antique fans, but they are above and beyond ANYTHING made in the USA today...Except there are no fans made in the USA today...What am I saying??!!

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 Posted: Mon Dec 22nd, 2014 02:06 pm
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David Hoatson
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I stand corrected. This forum has educated me greatly. Bathroom ceiling fans are shaded pole, due to their simplicity, but they have low starting torque. I think most if not all fans today have capacitors. Problem with caps is that they are one of the least reliable electronic parts. For a big AC motor, 3-phase is nice. Simple, torquey, and no caps. 

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 Posted: Mon Dec 22nd, 2014 04:53 pm
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David Hoatson wrote: I just picked up a Singer desk fan. Model 2901. It's AC only, with brushes, 3-speed. I saw that Singer was working with Diehl. Did Diehl make it? Just curious of the history. 
I have the same Singer as in your first post David.  It was one I spotted in Bill Voigt's collection years ago and, being so different and cute, I had to try it out.  It ran on all three speeds and, like yours, has no cage badge which I thought it was missing.  Maybe these never had a cage badge to keep the cost down but I do wonder if the badge was an inexpensive clip-on badge easily lost.   I ended up with this Singer from Bill's collection and took it out now, gave it a little oil, and she ran very smoothly and pretty darn quiet. 

Does anyone know if these fans had a badge or not and, if they had one, what it looked like?

This is David's video of his fan just like mine.  Mine did not sound like an MG at the racetrack however but maybe it's still not fully oiled and running at top speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eFiAfgL_JQ&feature=youtu.be

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 Posted: Fri Aug 10th, 2018 04:04 am
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 Posted: Fri Aug 10th, 2018 10:52 am
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