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 Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2015 12:43 pm
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Bob, the fan shown as the Kenmore is a good fan. It came in several "flavors" and you have to know the difference. I have had several of each of the 4 models. they were made from the early 60s until 1974. The earliest were either he gold/bronze or a blue metallic and white. Those tend to be 2 speed reversible with either the deep or shallow "box fan" blade. Once you get to the1964 model year the one shown here was the Kenmore "Sears Best" with the 2 large knobs on the right. There was also a 2 speed exhaust only and 2 speed reversible (with thermo) and small knobs down low on the right side in the narrow/shallow housing. These latter 2 fans used the shallow box fan blade and wont move the air of the deep-blade Sears Best. The Sears Best (shown above) had a monster Westinghouse and later GE motor. Low speed is slow but still moves good air as the deep blade is extended and has a significant pitch. (There IS a nice one on EBAY now, and a ratty one too). make sure they have the side panels. Medium speed is like high speed for another fan. High speed has super-high RPMs and really impresses. In 1974 this fan became 2nd banana to the new Sears Best with a deep 4 wing blade. This fan lasted only through 1974, but for these 2 years they had 4 flavors of window fan. THERE probably more than you want to know!...

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 Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2015 09:22 pm
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Couldn't have said it better myself Tom!

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 Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2015 10:18 pm
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That nice one on eBay sold, someone got a good deal on it.

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Tom Zapf wrote: Bob, the fan shown as the Kenmore is a good fan. It came in several "flavors" and you have to know the difference. I have had several of each of the 4 models. they were made from the early 60s until 1974. The earliest were either he gold/bronze or a blue metallic and white. Those tend to be 2 speed reversible with either the deep or shallow "box fan" blade. Once you get to the1964 model year the one shown here was the Kenmore "Sears Best" with the 2 large knobs on the right. There was also a 2 speed exhaust only and 2 speed reversible (with thermo) and small knobs down low on the right side in the narrow/shallow housing. These latter 2 fans used the shallow box fan blade and wont move the air of the deep-blade Sears Best. The Sears Best (shown above) had a monster Westinghouse and later GE motor. Low speed is slow but still moves good air as the deep blade is extended and has a significant pitch. (There IS a nice one on EBAY now, and a ratty one too). make sure they have the side panels. Medium speed is like high speed for another fan. High speed has super-high RPMs and really impresses. In 1974 this fan became 2nd banana to the new Sears Best with a deep 4 wing blade. This fan lasted only through 1974, but for these 2 years they had 4 flavors of window fan. THERE probably more than you want to know!...Thank you very much for the great detailed info, Tom!! My education in fan-ology continues!!

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Greg Mahley wrote: That nice one on eBay sold, someone got a good deal on it.I'd seriously thought about bidding on this one, Greg, but wasn't sure that I could get away to pick it up soon for the 4 hour ride from where I am in NY to NH. I also then tried to factor in the gas, and a hotel room to break up the drive, and then finally resigned myself to waiting until one of these comes up again with a seller willing to ship it to me. 

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 Posted: Fri May 1st, 2015 12:21 am
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One will turn up.

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 Posted: Fri May 1st, 2015 12:55 am
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Christopher Harding wrote: One will turn up.Thanks, Christopher. I'll certainly be on the lookout like for one!

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 Posted: Fri May 1st, 2015 01:17 am
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Hi Bob, enjoy your Frigid and then someday if another fan comes up that you like you can buy it too. When I see a fan I like, I buy it. I have a small collection going, I will soon have 3 GE W12's!!

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 Posted: Fri May 1st, 2015 01:51 pm
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Bob there is a Sears Kenmore "Sears best" listed on ebay with original carton. it is in hacketstown NJ about 30 minutes west of me. I wrote down the ebay number and already cant find it, but it started out 111. it looks pretty nice and the box is hard to find.... oh you are a member of the club now, we will have you cool-as-a-rule all summer!

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Greg Mahley wrote: Hi Bob, enjoy your Frigid and then someday if another fan comes up that you like you can buy it too. When I see a fan I like, I buy it. I have a small collection going, I will soon have 3 GE W12's!!Thanks, Greg. I do go to a lot of garage sales, and I will certainly keep my eyes open for fans in a way that I never would have previously, before I stumbled upon this incredible forum and got a great crash course from you guys this past week in all things fan related.The main question is - how to fit more window fans in a one BR apartment. My girlfriend already thinks that I am more than a bit crazy for this new interest, which then got added to my lifetime audiophile passion. This will certainly confirm her diagnosis, but it is definitely fun and fascinating for me!

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 Posted: Fri May 1st, 2015 02:08 pm
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Tom Zapf wrote: Bob there is a Sears Kenmore "Sears best" listed on ebay with original carton. it is in hacketstown NJ about 30 minutes west of me. I wrote down the ebay number and already cant find it, but it started out 111. it looks pretty nice and the box is hard to find.... oh you are a member of the club now, we will have you cool-as-a-rule all summer!Thanks, Tom! I am thrilled to be a member of the club after a whirlwind week of newly found fan-demonium! 
I had seen this Sears kenmore one on eBay, had set it on "Watch" in my eBay summary, and was considering it. He has it on Buy It Now for $150, with $27 shipping. Is that a decent price for this condition?

Another question that I have for you, if I may, is the question of looks and condition. I have to admit that the aesthetics of the fan I end up with as my main kitchen-mounted exhaust fan for my apartment matter a lot to me (and my girlfriend, who will give me endless grief if it doesn't look good), so I would like to end up with my #1 fan (need to keep a backup in the closet, though, in case there is ever a fatal problem with the main guy) as one that can be brought back to look very presentable and pleasing on the eye. Assuming that they are already mechanically sound, can these Sears fans be cosmetically restored to looking close-to-new and attractive? Is the protective cage stainless steel or a chrome, that can it be shined if it is rusty when I get it? I know that the housing can be painted pretty easily, if originality is not an issue, but certainly the less work a fan would need would be preferable. What do you think?

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 Posted: Fri May 1st, 2015 03:15 pm
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Bob once you have the fan disease you will grab what you like. there are many radio type people on here too and we have a section for members who like other old stuff too, cars, mechanicals like sewing machines, vacuums, power tools etc, Christmas stuff, books, clocks you name it... ANYTHING can be made to look nice again with the right club "helpers" The basket cage on the Sears best is chrome and yes it can be polished, steelwooled to look decent. I have found old style Dupont #7 car polish works great on fan paint to bring back a beautiful shine and get rid of rust speckles. yes sometimes we paint them too, you should see some of the work done on the old ones, with paint and pinstipe and gold leaf etc...we have 2 loves #1 it has to look good #2 usually has to be something we saw as kids and have been trying to find ever since... $150 is a lot for a window fan, BUT I have seen window and box fans go for much much more if someone really wants it. yard sale supplies have pretty much dried up as the people who bought this stuff new have downsized or passed away. The 60s generation got AC and tossed stuff before yard sales became popular. SO if you find something grab it at one of those!

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 Posted: Mon May 4th, 2015 03:42 pm
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that $139.99 Kenmore in hacketstown nj is a good buy and with the box looks great... that is about 30 minutes west of me

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 Posted: Tue May 5th, 2015 02:27 am
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Hey, a local dude... nice! My father's family is from Mt. Vernon (Nuber Ave.) and my grandfather, who was responsible for ruining... er, I mean enriching my life with my first exposure to fan collecting lived there until he passed away about 9 years ago.

(Johnny's Pizza... still unbelievable...)

I'm right up the parkway and there's still old stuff surfacing all over town... when I can catch it. I'll keep my eyes peeled!

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Greg Miller wrote: Hey, a local dude... nice! My father's family is from Mt. Vernon (Nuber Ave.) and my grandfather, who was responsible for ruining... er, I mean enriching my life with my first exposure to fan collecting lived there until he passed away about 9 years ago.

(Johnny's Pizza... still unbelievable...)

I'm right up the parkway and there's still old stuff surfacing all over town... when I can catch it. I'll keep my eyes peeled!
Hey neighbor! Yes, when I was a kid (1960's), my parents had friends on Nuber, so I know exactly where that is.
Johnny's is still going, and going strong, from what I hear. There's nothing like that thin, thin pizza!
If you ever come across an 18" or 22" Vornado window fan, please let me know, and if I come up with other fans, I'd be happy to be on the lookout for any that you're looking for, as I am certainly a garage sale aficionado. 

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Come out a little further into the 'burbs- no shortage of old folks unloading their stuff. I just never get there in time, and my capacity for collecting here has nearly been reached (I'm just outta room and my wife is gonna skin me someday), so I don't really try that hard lately. It's gotta be something really special for me to get away with bringing it home.

'Tis the season, so I'll be watching...

(Sauce over cheese?! Yeah- I know... and it totally works... oh, and my family was at 320 Nuber)

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Here's a later model Vornado '25E' if anyone is interested.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-O-A-SUTTON-CORP-VORNADO-MODEL-C25E2-1-REVERSIBLE-2-SPEED-WINDOW-FAN-/141656965585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20fb69c1d1

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 Posted: Tue May 5th, 2015 02:19 pm
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My dad worked for NY bell and had an office in Mt Vernon for years. When I was a scout and ten years old we toured the Chevy plant in Tarrytown and I still have my book of the 1968 chevy models. I thought the 2 door caprice with the formal roof and hidden headlights was THE car....

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Rob Duffy wrote: Here's a later model Vornado '25E' if anyone is interested.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-O-A-SUTTON-CORP-VORNADO-MODEL-C25E2-1-REVERSIBLE-2-SPEED-WINDOW-FAN-/141656965585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20fb69c1d1
Thanks, Rob. How do the later ones compare to the earlier ones, in terms of air moving capability, noise, reliability, etc.?

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Tom Zapf wrote: My dad worked for NY bell and had an office in Mt Vernon for years. When I was a scout and ten years old we toured the Chevy plant in Tarrytown and I still have my book of the 1968 chevy models. I thought the 2 door caprice with the formal roof and hidden headlights was THE car....It's funny how things in various lives overlap in different ways. My father was a communications engineer who worked at Bell Labs in New Jersey, when I was a young child, probably in the 50s and 60s, and commuted there from Mt. Vernon. 

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and my dad had lots of things from bell labs tested at our house. We had a clear trimline phone with the first pushbuttons. My great Uncle Justus from Pearl River was a test-bed for the buzz-box you used at your throat when you lost your voice box to a traecheotomy, and then you could speak. We had speaker phones and more gadgets all tests from Bell labs. My friend Glen (his parents friends with mine) and I still keep up and his dad work at BL as well, (I still have their early 60s brown Westinghouse 2 speed box fan) and both our dads were like McGyvers. I have an antique bell-box phone in the living room that works, and 2 hand crank "Cousin MayBelle" phones on the kitchen wall on display... you cant be a bell kid and not have phones everywhere

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My father was a systems analyst at Bell working on main frame computers, way before the computer boom hit, but we never had anything much different phone-wise than the average consumer. As much as he did professionally there and at subsequent companies he worked for, he never owned a personal computer, and was never that attracted to one. He even said a couple of years ago, in his 90s, that while he used to build computer systems, he was more interested in that systems aspect rather than in the actual day-to-day use that we all probably can't imagine doing without now. On the other hand, he is still (at 94) fascinated when I show him my iPad, and how I can take digital photos and the show them immediately on the screen. He was an avid and accomplished amateur photographer, so "analog" things always held a huge appeal to him. It's too bad that dementia and frailty has set in, as he would have been absolutely enthralled with the AFCA forum, and debating the various merits of certain mechanical design elements and nuances of fans. He would have totally related to my search for a suitable window fan, and would have enthusiastically joined right in on the discussion at a fan meetup. Maybe I am taking up the mantle of fans-cination in his honor!

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Bob Hochman wrote: Rob Duffy wrote: Here's a later model Vornado '25E' if anyone is interested.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-O-A-SUTTON-CORP-VORNADO-MODEL-C25E2-1-REVERSIBLE-2-SPEED-WINDOW-FAN-/141656965585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20fb69c1d1
Thanks, Rob. How do the later ones compare to the earlier ones, in terms of air moving capability, noise, reliability, etc.?
In terms of air flow and noise, they're about the same. The later one spins a wee bit faster due to a larger motor but other than that, there isn't really a difference.

The only thing I had to do to my later version was change the capacitor because it went bad and the fan wouldn't run at full speed. This happens from time to time and isn't an expensive repair. Capacitor was about $10-15.

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Tom Zapf wrote: My dad worked for NY bell and had an office in Mt Vernon for years. When I was a scout and ten years old we toured the Chevy plant in Tarrytown and I still have my book of the 1968 chevy models. I thought the 2 door caprice with the formal roof and hidden headlights was THE car....
My first shop was in the oil terminal just south of GM Tarrytown. (The last thing they made there were those terrible plastic Chevy Lumina APV, Pontiac Trans-Sport, and Oldsmobile Silhouette "door-stop" minivans.) The whole site is a wasteland now, and the entire riverfront around it has become high-end condos, blocking the view of the Hudson from the entire historic part of town. It's just a matter of time before that property goes the same way.

The lighthouse is still there, and is actually supposed to be "pending restoration", but we'll see... maybe some of that "New NY Bridge" overflow will find it's way into that project... but I doubt it...

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and now the new Nissan taxi, Nissan quest, mazda 5 and so many others have the same "Dustbuster" shape as the Lumina APV. Yep I knew the plant was gone. I treasure that book. I can picture me in a  68 caprice with hidden headlights or a chevelle convertible or a rs ss Camaro coupe....sigh today  everything looks like a hondatoyota jelly bean with all the style of an armadillo

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