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 Posted: Thu Aug 25th, 2016 06:33 pm
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In 1894 financial difficulties in the Fort Wayne Electric Works placed the company in receivership. The Fort Wayne Works at that time was under heavy GE influence based on GE Stockholders. 


In 1899 The Fort Wayne Electric Works once again faced receivership, only this time around was purchased and under the controlling interest of the General Electric concern in Schenectady. Later in 1911 The Sprague Electric and Fort Wayne Electric concerns merged with the General Electric.


It appears GE fan motors starting in 1899 could most certainly sport Fort Wayne influence, and visa versa. 

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June 1894

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   When I came accross this article in the third post I was surprised at the wording “since it separated” et cetera. Your first post fills in some of the story, and I suspect the previous paragraph would explain matters even more fully. Can you cite the journal excerpted? Mine is from New York World 31 Mar 1895.

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The full page.

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The Fort Wayne info was a side product from trying to dig up information on early Fort Wayne fans and to debunk some of the optomistically-early dates attributed that Bradley motor, as well as determining what some of the first Wood oscillators might amount to.      1895 Catalog....

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.... including ....

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.... new motors.

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https://books.google.com/books?id=2lI0AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA510&lpg=PA510&dq=financial+difficulties+resulted+in+june,+1894&source=bl&ots=A3DzFW9f2W&sig=3ra74HcLfTNRGnJFci-d1ucZxSA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhp925ht7OAhXBqh4KHRuoB1kQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=financial%20difficulties%20resulted%20in%20june%2C%201894&f=false

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General Electric Company. Fort Wayne Electric Works - 1915 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editionsOver 200 distinct and separate sets of operations are necessary to build a Fort Wayne fan motor, each one performed by a specialist and subject to closest scrutiny by trained inspectors. Each link in the chain of operations producing Fort 

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Thanks for that…
   “With the acquisition of the Brooklyn factory of T-H…..” ??  Is this saying Fort Wayne has made the purchase? The wording makes meaning unclear to me, and I had thought T-H acquired major interest in Fort Wayne which thus rolled FWEW into the fold when G.E. was formed and that T-H already had the services of Wood…. Seems also that I read there was a great mutual respect between McDonald and Coffin, birds of a feather. American Electric Manufacturing Company, which seems to have bought out the Fuller-Wood interests but is not a part of T-H, or only loosely allied, lost Wood by selling to Fort Wayne? I’ve never before heard of the sequence of events written in the FW book.


   You’ll get a kick out of Wood’s patent 383933, look at the second drawing’s witnesses; also 412818. It’s tough to flesh out the precise story on a lot of those hired guns in the ’85-’88 time period… what biographies there are sometimes mention corporate affiliations, but there seems to have been a lot more interaction going on; one Curtis Wheeler Crocker patent has Bradley as witness…etc…

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J. P. Morgan had Coffin in his pocket.

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There is a heads up in a 94? fan motor ad involving Diehl. It mentions "plural" Diehl desk fans. We think we have pretty much pegged down fan motor history. Nope.

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Steve Rockwell wrote: there seems to have been a lot more interaction going on; one Curtis Wheeler Crocker patent has Bradley as witness…etc…


The article image below was clipped from a 91 H-C fan motor article. I have posted the H-C Bonnie Breeze article before.  The article supports Edwin Pillsbury(Century Electric Founder/CEO) employed at C&C/CW


Francis Crocker was a witness to a Bradley patent filed Jan. of 87. Bradley was a witness in Mar. of 87.  

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   Seems Bradley used Curtis & Crocker as patent attorneys for a while... but back to Fort Wayne and General Electric, and Wood. The excerpt below touches on one of the puzzling things from the first decade of the 1900's: Fort Wayne Works and Sprague Works having quasi-independence from the home office in Schenectady and producing "competing" fans, while Pittsfield, with acknowledgement to neither Pittsfield nor Stanley, became the main center for Company fan production. I suspect there's more to it than efficiency and cost, but other documents suggest the GE seemed to recognize the merits of its satellite's making fans, at least until the centralization of administration and production just after 1920.

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02 the General Electric purchased GI. Martin Insull was formally made VP and GM of GI at the time the Paragon Fan & Motor Co. was purchased by GI and moved to NY in 99. GI was moved to Pittsfield in 02 and Martin Insull was made CEO. Stanley merged with GI in 05. GI Paragon fan motors 02-04. I see no clear mention of Stanley-GI Paragon fan motors 05+.

Martin Insull was educated in mechanical engineering at Cornell University 89-93, financed by Edison disciple brother Sammy Insull.  Martin was employed prior to schooling at Edison Machine Works of Schenectady. J. P. Williams was 32 years of age when his first fan motor the Globe(evolved to the Paragon fan motor in 97) hit the market. Williams first employment in the 80s was an agent for North American Phonograph Co. selling........Edison phonographs. Another Edison disciple.

Elihu Thomson it appears is responsible for those copper shades in your GE cakes. Elihu was not an Edison disciple. :D

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FWIW....GI Paragon Fan & Motor Co. had a single phase repulsion fan motor it appears on the market. That be AC current.

The MIT library in Cambridge, MA. has a 60 page 04 book focused on tests done on this Paragon fan motor. If someone is in that area it sure would be nice if you could scan and share it here. :clap:

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After GE bought an interest in FWEW, GE pretty much left them alone. The all brass FW looks identical to the GE. But the motor is very different inside. By 1910 or so, FW came under tighter control of GE. After that the FW fans were just rebadged GE fans.

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Steve Rockwell wrote: 1895 Catalog....



Have seen that catalog online a few
years back and just now reviewed it.


Neat stuff for sure!

Really dig the artistic engravings!

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The one and only fan illustration
in the 1895 catalogue...


A one and a quarter horsepower
behemoth...


A mere 180 pounds of fan!

Also available was a smaller 1/3 HP
fan weighing just 50 pounds...

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Years ago, in the 1990's, I got a call from a man. He had. Bradley motor for sale. He had restored it. Wouldn't price it. I finally made him an offer. You'd have thought I had insulted his mother. In his mind, it was worth $25,000. In my mind, much less.

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     This is the image which got me going on this; I'm highly confident it is the very same unit pictured in the magazine page above... I'm reading it as Davis & Wood   Brooklyn. I don't know anything yet about Davis? and 1879 is a tricky time in Wood's life because at some point about then he ended his work with Brady Mfg. to (eventually) be in full-time association with the Fuller company (was there association with the Maxim interests?)... and James B. Fuller died 15 Feb 1879, so the exact chain of events is still not understood...





... how it's titled in other publications...



 

and on the 1894/95 catalog cover...






 To tidy up a couple items earlier in the thread, first and second posts continue with this item...





7th post has a motor which I've yet to see in photos...


 and 10th post has an early signature of interest...








                  These clipping keep things fan-related...









 More Fort Wayne...http://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/48346.html

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