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 Posted: Wed Feb 15th, 2017 10:51 pm
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Mark Mendes
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here we go another great job ebay shipper pack this emerson 21646 just wrapped paper around it and put in box







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What a shame

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 Posted: Wed Feb 15th, 2017 11:00 pm
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Mark Mendes
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yes it is

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 Posted: Wed Feb 15th, 2017 11:18 pm
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Complete bummer about that break.   I have seen a few other fans with the same break.  Question Mark:  Did you contact the seller to discuss how to best pack or just left it up to the seller with no input from you?

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 Posted: Wed Feb 15th, 2017 11:22 pm
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left it up to the seller already opened a case waiting to here back

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 Posted: Wed Feb 15th, 2017 11:26 pm
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That is basically how they packed the last 2 of mine!

The older fans with the big motors really should NOT be shipped with the blades attached. I had a 29668 shipped that was packed reasonably well, bubbly wrapped several times and with the "good" packing peanuts. The fan was very immobilized in the box but at some point, the fan was thrown or landed face down and the weight of the heavy motor crushed the cage and blades. Also, the stress the oscillator places on the collar is almost sure to destroy the pot metal collars. And apparently the lower portion of the motor housing is a weak point.

I have spoken with Ebay sellers but many will pack fans before the auction begins and not unpack and repack. Also, its tough to explain to someone how to remove the Emerson blade who is not familiar, especially if it gives any trouble. I feel like its almost catch-22 of just telling them to "pack it well" and taking your chances and if it is damaged, filing a claim. The buyer on Ebay is protected. I hate seeing old fans destroyed due to negligence but sometimes, what can you do? If it isn't destroyed coming to you, it'd be destroyed going to someone else. At least we have the resources to repair them if and when something happens.

Result of bad packing:

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 Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2017 12:50 am
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Very frustrating to get broken and bent fans.  I have been either very lucky or have gotten almost all sellers to pack well by spending sometimes over an hour composing an email with photos of damaged fans to send them or to talk on the phone with them.   I never leave it up to the seller.  I even packed a 19645 that I had, removed the fan from the packing and sent the box with lettered foam inserts to the seller with photos on how to pack.  All because I didn't think the seller would be able to remove the blade.  It came through great.

Take a look at this thread I started about packing fans with blade and cage on.   I don't recommend this to show sellers as I don't think most can do it as it has to be done with an eye to the stresses that the box and fan may encounter.   But I continue to pack this way even for 16" cast iron fans including a GE kidney.   I have had but two very minor cage bends and nothing broken in well over 50 fans I have packed this way.


http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=9571
It took me a while to more or less perfect my method so look towards the end of the posts.

Below is a 16" cast iron R&M 1159 oscillator and how I packed it.  Spending MUCH MORE time in packing or in communication will pay dividends in getting far fewer, if any, damaged fans.

I start with a plank of thick, hard styrofoam or plywood which I like better but I use all scavanged materials other than buying my boxes new from Uline.  Cut plank or plywood to fit snuggly in bottom of box, sometimes with some peanuts or other cushioning under the plank.



Locate fan on top of plank and, depending upon room or thickness, I will hollow out the foam or add another layer of cushioned closed cell foam, hollowed out for the oscillator, etc. under the fan.  The end idea is to locate the fan so it can't move up, down, or sideways.



Placing a chunk of soft closed cell foam between the fan hub and back of the cage badge will support the cage and keep it from smashing into and pushing the blades back over the fan.   But I don't rely on that, it's an extra measure just in case other things fail.   The fan is strapped TIGHTLY to the backboard and I place closed cell or other cushioning under the fragile part of the neck to support that.   Filament tape works great and will not tear.  I straight tightly and make sure the tape goes all the way under the plank or plywood, ideally meeting the other end.  Three locations are strapped with protection under the tape so it does not harm the paint, etc.



Now to start adding-
Vertical pieces of angle styrofoam (they protect the corners of refrigerators and I get from the dumpster of a local big appliance shop).  Those pieces run from on top of the plank or plywood and I cut them off with a serrated break knife at the top of the box.  They will hold the plank right where it is in the bottom of the box.  Padding and packing added so the fan can't move up or down to the ends of the box.   I think one would not have to add anything else but I do, mainly to hold the corner pieces in place.  I can add peanuts, crumpled paper, bubblewrap or any combination of anything I have on hand.



Seal box well and off she goes.


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 Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2017 02:15 am
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wow the seller was rude they said it is not there fault they packed it good

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 Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2017 02:22 am
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Mark Mendes wrote: wow the seller was rude they said it is not there fault they packed it goodJust open up a case with ebay. But do it as a "Not as described" case. That way the seller would have to pay return shipping. Just tell him that if it was packed right it must have been broken before it went in the box LOL.

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 Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2017 02:44 am
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all ready opened one ebay said damaged item also seller pay return shipping the seller say no returns ebay said that voided when its damaged

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 Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2017 11:51 pm
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We all cringe when we see this. The combination of brittle iron, fragile cages, small stressed joints, shippers that can toss things reeeel gooood, and lazy packers. 
The best way to ship a fan is to drive across the county, wrap it in towels, and put it on the floor in the back seat. 

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 Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2017 01:11 am
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David Hoatson wrote: We all cringe when we see this. The combination of brittle iron, fragile cages, small stressed joints, shippers that can toss things reeeel gooood, and lazy packers. 
The best way to ship a fan is to drive across the county, wrap it in towels, and put it on the floor in the back seat. 
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 Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2017 01:57 am
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Yes, we all hear about stupid eBay sellers who can't pack a brick.

We never hear about the thousands of successful transactions and adequate shipping measures.


"Ya pay your money and ya take your chances"




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 Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2017 02:37 am
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This is how I received one yesterday from an eBayer. 



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 Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2017 06:53 am
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Some of this is 3 rd party  packer shippers . The seller takes the item to them and they take it from there.
I bought a 79646 some time back and asked the seller to pack it well And when it came was a huge box and  it had a thick sheet of 2'' Styrofoam then two pillows  like the ones you have on your bed then the fan then two more pillows and another 2'' Styrofoam on the bottom. it was packed tight and the fan came through good.
IF YOU DONT GET  RESULTS FROM EBAY THEN GO TO PAYPAL . They cove up to 6 months

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 Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2017 02:26 pm
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Tom Dreesen wrote:
"Ya pay your money and ya take your chances"






It is the sellers obligation to to have delivered an item as presented. If a seller chooses to skimp on proper packing of any item then it is they who take that chance.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2017 05:23 pm
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Chris A. Campbell wrote: Tom Dreesen wrote:
"Ya pay your money and ya take your chances"






It is the sellers obligation to to have delivered an item as presented. If a seller chooses to skimp on proper packing of any item then it is they who take that chance.
You are correct Chris. If they don't pack it right you get your money back, and they get the shaft for all of their work and their item.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2017 06:52 pm
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The chance I was referring to was whether it will get to you as described.

As a seller I have had claims of breakage tried on me more than once.  eBay does stick behind its longtime sellers and requires proof of damage.  While I "won" (no proof of damage ever produced), there is a hold on your PP account for the amount in question during the life of the claim which will be dropped after a while.


But you do get automated emails from eBay urging you to settle.  A rep at eBay was sympathetic and said just ignore the emails.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2017 07:24 pm
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Lordy! Sorry... But I got a slight giggle when I heard the dog in the back round start barking when you started the fan!

That is some bad packing there!!

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 Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2017 07:44 pm
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Tom Dreesen wrote: The chance I was referring to was whether it will get to you as described.

As a seller I have had claims of breakage tried on me more than once.  eBay does stick behind its longtime sellers and requires proof of damage.  While I "won" (no proof of damage ever produced), there is a hold on your PP account for the amount in question during the life of the claim which will be dropped after a while.


But you do get automated emails from eBay urging you to settle.  A rep at eBay was sympathetic and said just ignore the emails.
I agree with you on that Tom. I got a buyer kicked off ebay for trying to pull a fast one and swapping my good item for there junky item. It took a good month and a half but what the buyer did screwed his self. I sold a 12" dinner plate to him and he made a claim that it was chipped. Remember he did not say that I sent the wrong item he just said it was chipped. So to give a refund I wanted it shipped back because I knew it was ok. He shipped me a 6" saucer in a 8" box. I had to ship the saucer and box to the people at ebay so they could examine it but that is what screwed him. He stated he got my 12" plate, Well if he returned it how would it ever fit in a 8" box which had the us postage marks as proof that it was what he sent back to me. He tried to screw me and was to cheap to send the saucer he swapped for my plate back in the same box that I sent the plate in and that did him in.
 

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 Posted: Sat Feb 18th, 2017 11:20 pm
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My advice go to the fan meets. That is where you can see the fans you buy. You can run the fan, talk to the seller in person and then load it in your car. Problem solved. Steve Stephens has posted some very good info on packing fans, but good luck getting a non fan collector to pack a fan like that!! Personally when I was selling fans on e-bay I went with the 2 box method, cage and blades in one box and the fan in the other. Never had a damaged fan.

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