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 Posted: Sat May 13th, 2017 03:25 pm
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Lucas Beshara
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Found this abused Fresh'nd aire this morning. So funny I saw the same fan on Big Bang Theory and a few weeks later it's coming home!









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 Posted: Sat May 13th, 2017 03:29 pm
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Lucas Beshara
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I don't see any of these in the galleries. Anyone know the years they made these?  I was just guessing post 1950.

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 Posted: Sat May 13th, 2017 09:17 pm
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i know the 50s but dont know the range of years, someone will know though 

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 Posted: Sun May 14th, 2017 01:13 pm
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This thing was filthy. Looks to have been in grandmas soul food kitchen where every meal had a fried component. And the smells coming off this thing during cleanup were awful. The value of a clean one of these would is understated for sure. 
The blade removal was less than easy and had to soak with blaster several hours before anything would budge. Turned out the set screw was kinda friction welded into the rotor. All came apart and utilizing the mineral spirit soak for the motor and speed control on this one. The gunk buildup combined with the smell makes it a good candidate for trial









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 Posted: Mon May 15th, 2017 02:49 am
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Lucas Beshara
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I've searched through 12 or so pages looking for dating and could only find the dates/ literature for the double digit freshys. This one is a model 2000. Any dating info appreciated:up:



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 Posted: Mon May 15th, 2017 05:30 am
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Lucas Beshara wrote: I've searched through 12 or so pages looking for dating and could only find the dates/ literature for the double digit freshys. This one is a model 2000. Any dating info appreciated:up:



I would like to know the date also. I have the same model.

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 Posted: Fri May 19th, 2017 12:48 am
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Lucas Beshara
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What ohm should I be getting off this stator?
I'm getting 6-7ohm after the mineral spirit/dry/re-varnish. Didn't take a before reading:hammer:

Thanks!

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 Posted: Sat May 20th, 2017 11:43 pm
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Lucas Beshara
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What amps do others Fresh'nd run at?  Mine is running at 2 amps without the blade. And running hot. Is this normal???  It's running 10 watts over rated



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 Posted: Sun May 21st, 2017 03:03 pm
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The ones withe badge ran 1948 to around 1958. After that was the F badge which ran from 1959-60 to the end which was around 1970. The no badge on the guard ran from 1935 to 1948.

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 Posted: Sun May 21st, 2017 05:55 pm
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Lucas Beshara
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Thank you!

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 Posted: Mon May 29th, 2017 09:27 pm
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Lucas Beshara
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Well I wasn't feeling this fan's motor and windings, heat,  the whole deal.  So what does an engineer do.... try to fix it. So I cut it down, mic'd the wire and built a rewind station. The result was less than favorable. So looking forward to talking to Rick at pig picken!





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 Posted: Tue May 30th, 2017 09:41 am
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Good job on the winding apparatus . Reminds me of me a couple of years ago. I have simplified your coil mold process ; however I still use wood blocks . I hope you marked which side of that stator the head wire came out ,  and counted the turns of at least 2 of the coils. Bring your stuff up to Pickin and we'll have a look , Sidney will be there.

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 Posted: Tue May 30th, 2017 09:14 pm
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What was wrong with the motor to warrant a rewind?

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 Posted: Tue May 30th, 2017 10:35 pm
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When the motor heated up after running for an hour it started chattering. I rechecked the ohms and it changed from 6-7 to 4-5. It was too strange, and too hot. I did count the windings and marked the way they came out the back. I'll rewind it strand by strand if I have to, which it looks like I may have to..  

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 Posted: Wed May 31st, 2017 11:52 pm
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You showed it above running without a blade. It likely was a combination of running on a higher voltage than it was built for and running without a blade on it. I don't know about yours, but my line voltage is 122 on a good day here and causes a 5-10% increase in wattage on a fan that is built for 110-115.

The blade would introduce the proper amount of slip and cool the motor simultaneously.

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Lucas Beshara
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The amp pull was about the same with and without the blade. I ran it for an hour with the blade and just tested without it. I always test without the blade first. My line voltage is about the same as yours. I need to get that megohm meter you use, and learn how use it...  The stator showed some pretty major heat coloring, and the friction weld on the rotor was telling me this fan was for sale cheap cause it had problems.   It wasn't happy running. Sounded like this little guy after running an hour....:pissed

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 Posted: Thu Jun 1st, 2017 11:45 am
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If you were getting friction (rub) marks on the stator/ rotor, are you sure the heating and high draw wasn't simply from excess drag on the motor from shot bearings?  Without the blade on, did the rotor spin freely? 

I guess a little late now since you cut apart the stator. But you'll have the same symptoms after a rewind if that was your main problem. 

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 Posted: Thu Jun 1st, 2017 10:11 pm
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Lucas Beshara
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Yeah the part of the rotor floating in the stator didn't have any rub marks. The friction weld was from the blade set screw. It had a very smooth and effortless spin and long spin down. I'm guessing something with the heavy grease and gunk on the windings got the better of this stator. It needed a rewind from the start is/was my final determination. If I had a megohm meter I could have saw that before I hooked it up

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 Posted: Mon Jul 10th, 2017 08:32 pm
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So I wanted to update this project
I successfully rewound the motor, by hand, strand by strand.  The third  time around it turned right...  

The first try was to make a single coil and try and feed it through the tiny openings...  FAIL

The second attempt was hand winding and when I got done the was continuity through the housing...  FAIL

Third time was the charm with poles and resistance "correct". 

So now my issue is that I wound up back where I started. The stator resistance is 4-5 rewound and it is generating the same heat.  It pulls 2 amps, still. 

It was wound with 20ga wire and 140 wraps a coil. It was rewound with 20ga - 140 wraps. Lol:hammer:

The definition of insanity. Oh well it looks ok for my first rewind, and I can say it has a fresh motor I rewound. I guess the heat causes clearance issues with the rotor and stator? It is really tight tolerance between the 2. I'll have to run it for a while to see if my issues come back. 

Anyone else rewind a 20" GE powered Freshy?

Here's almost complete using zip ties to hold things in place during winding process







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 Posted: Tue Jul 11th, 2017 12:25 am
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So far so good👍
Fan ON gents




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 Posted: Tue Jul 11th, 2017 09:31 pm
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I have the same fan, and the original motor needs a rewind- I got a replacement from Russ. (Thankfully) Maybe now I know somebody who can do a Freshy GE rewind...

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