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 Posted: Sat Dec 9th, 2017 04:00 pm
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John Fengel
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I think I read a post a while back that OTR stopped selling their flexible Head Wire. If so, is there another supplier or source for similar flexible Head Wire?

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 Posted: Sat Dec 9th, 2017 04:36 pm
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Lane Shirey wrote: Long story, but OTR sold most of their inventory at the PA meet. I invited them to come, thinking it would be cool to have a vendor at the meet that we use and not have to pay freight, not knowing they were looking to get out of the business. Andrea's son Jacob and his better half were very nice and set up a table with their wares.  They actually had very little inventory left and brought nearly all to the meet. This business was Andrea's father's, who originally had this cable made to support the antique radio guys, ( thus their name) but we also found them, and for many years, loved their cable. 

Years ago, Andrea's father passed on, and while she has a full time career, kept the business alive in her father's memory, doing it in her "spare" time. This is the reason sometimes her replies could be a bit delayed. Judging by the date codes on the reels we bought, they had not placed an order from their mill in a long time, and being in the cable industry myself, I can tell you that copper is much higher now. 

Rather than taking advantage of the escalating copper prices to raise their prices, they kept their pricing steady, something that rarely happens these days. But I guess they made the tough decision not to reorder. 

I feel like I'm writing a eulogy, and in a way I am because many of us loved their cable and it's sad to see them go. To Andrea, Jacob and the family. Thanks for the great cable all those years. They're very nice folks! And I wish them the best! 

As a side note, there has been a member interested in continuing on with their design (not me) and I believe has had discussions with them, but that's all I know. Maybe someday, we'll see the a new OTR type wire once again. 

Thanks to Andrea and her family from all of us. 

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Lane Shirey wrote:
As a side note, there has been a member interested in continuing on with their design (not me) and I believe has had discussions with them, but that's all I know. Maybe someday, we'll see the a new OTR type wire once again. 


With all due respects, would this member possibly interested in continuing the OTR process please come forward and post an update on your progress?  I too am very interested as the OTR 3 wire head cord was the most supple. 


http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=48899&forum_id=2&jump_to=423311

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 Posted: Sat Dec 9th, 2017 06:32 pm
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I'm not aware of any continuing talks and I'm no longer in the loop. Calls to OTR have gone unanswered. I believe we must pursue other sources. Sadly, I think OTR and it's products are gone for good. 

I called them a while back to see what they had left in inventory after our meet but it was mostly unusable stock. Pink single conductor, the flat stuff, and the yellow/ green cloth. Nothing worthwhile purchasing. All of the good headwire was sold off at our meet. When I invited them to the meet, I had no idea they were planning to get out of the industry. I just thought it would be a good resource for the attendees. I found out from her son, that Andrea kept the business going in her father's memory, but the manufacture dates on products we bought showed that they had not ordered new product for many years. They were running out of inventory and looking to focus on their day jobs. 


My understanding is also that copper prices rose significantly since this old manufacturing run ( they did not make the product, just sold it. It was custom made somewhere in New England to their spec) , and the new pricing would have had to be several times higher than the existing pricing that they had not changed for years to keep up with copper pricing. They did not feel that the market would support the higher pricing. 


So here we are. The cable design is not rocket science, and can easily be duplicated by either domestic or foreign manufacturers. So maybe someone else with deep pockets will pursue it, but the OTR grapevine is indeed dead. But if someone decides to have it made, expect to pay many times higher than OTR was charging. 


Them's the facts. 

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Why not just make your own with the abundance of inexpensive synthetic and cotton sleeving options available?

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 Posted: Sat Dec 9th, 2017 11:24 pm
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Tom Nordin wrote: Why not just make your own with the abundance of inexpensive synthetic and cotton sleeving options available?


I've been using synthetic sleeving for some time now and it works great for small diameter head wire, but I also liked the OTR for Head Wire. I've searched unsuccessfully for "cotton sleeving" but have not found any. Do you have any sources?

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Hey John,
Try 'cotton wire braid' or 'cotton wire weave', or similar.  It's out there, and very available.  I searched this crazily a couple months ago and learned everything we could hope for in this respect is absolutely available, in practically every color or combination of colors we could dream of.  Don't be surprised that the Chinese vendors seem to fulfill our desires better that others.  eBay and Amazon offer a great many choices, but the search terms make all the difference.

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Not only is this guy in the link posted below using cotton sheathing on his 3 wire cord, he is charging 11 cents less per foot than OTR was using 16 gauge wire.  I left a message and text on his cell if he would consider making the wire using 18 gauge.  Haven't hear anything yet.



https://store-0hnz9jf.mybigcommerce.com/3-wire-overbraid/

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Hi Russ -
It's funny, because your term of 'sheathing' and the term of 'sleeving'  can make all the difference in finding what we're looking for.  Try all these combos, for sure.

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Tom Nordin wrote: Hi Russ -
It's funny, because your term of 'sheathing' and the term of 'sleeving'  can make all the difference in finding what we're looking for.


Not really.


sheath·ing
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noun:
  1. protective casing or covering.



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The OTR wire used what the industry used to call "test probe" wire: high-flex, probably 65-strand, 18 AWG wire with a silicone rubber jacket. It has some cotton filler strands to make the bundle of three wires more round, and a cotton overbraid.
I have, in the past, ordered custom cable from an american company, maybe Belden. The main cost driver was the amount you order, since it takes time to set up the machine and very little time making the cable.

If no one else plans to make the OTR wire, I might. I would like to also make a close copy of the Emerson wire, as the OTR was smaller than the Emerson and the Emerson headwire has a finer weave in the overbraid. I assumed that an AFCA member had obtained the OTR design rights, but I guess I was wrong. 

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Oh yes, really - Russ.
It's because not everybody subscribes to that level.

Just go onto Craigs and figure how people term things.  It's not a level of correctness, yet more a level of possible-correctness.

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David Hoatson wrote:

If no one else plans to make the OTR wire, I might. I would like to also make a close copy of the Emerson wire, as the OTR was smaller than the Emerson and the Emerson headwire has a finer weave in the overbraid. I assumed that an AFCA member had obtained the OTR design rights, but I guess I was wrong. 

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The wire supplier link I have posted above is Snake Head Vintage Custom Lighting & Electrical Supply.  He probably has a stock pile of  3 wire sheathed 16 gauge he needs to rid himself of?  Like I said, I just left a message for him today, so I have not had a chance to talk with him.


David, I think your on target with OTR's use of fine strand test probe wire. There would be your ticket to a supple 3 strand cotton sheathed head wire.  I don't care who makes it really, what I, and many do care about is the price you pay per foot. :D

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I have never used OTR wire but have found the sources below helpful for a similar wire:

Sundial Wire $105/100ft or $2.25/ft
Vintage Wire and supply $139/100ft or $1.95/ft

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OTR wire was is (was) more flexible than Sundial wire. I've ordered Sundial wire as well, but new options would be welcomed.

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David Hoatson wrote: The OTR wire used what the industry used to call "test probe" wire: high-flex, probably 65-strand, 18 AWG wire with a silicone rubber jacket. It has some cotton filler strands to make the bundle of three wires more round, and a cotton overbraid.
I have, in the past, ordered custom cable from an american company, maybe Belden. The main cost driver was the amount you order, since it takes time to set up the machine and very little time making the cable.

If no one else plans to make the OTR wire, I might. I would like to also make a close copy of the Emerson wire, as the OTR was smaller than the Emerson and the Emerson headwire has a finer weave in the overbraid. I assumed that an AFCA member had obtained the OTR design rights, but I guess I was wrong. 

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David,
I had a 2 minute message on my cell from the owner of Snake Head Vintage Custom Lighting & Electrical Supply. In a nut shell it appears he is sitting on a pile of 16 gauge 3 wire surplus. He would like to help us out but........In time he may be able to help us out...but......if you get my meaning.


I think you hit the nail on the head for supple 3 wire sheathed head cord.  Fine multi strand 18 gauge wire with a soft Silicone rubber type insulation. Anti-stiff is the name of the game.

If you could reproduce 3 wire head cord like, or surpassing OTR supple standards, a nice cloth cotton sheathing, and keep the price per foot under $2, your the man. :clap: :D


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Does anyone have a stock pile of the OTR 2 conductor head wire. If so and you are willing to part with some please pm me. Tks

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Chris Smith wrote: Does anyone have a stock pile of the OTR 2 conductor head wire. If so and you are willing to part with some please pm me. Tks
If you can’t find any, Tony Clayton makes an excellent 2 conductor wire using the same wire as in the leads for multimeters.   Very flexible and a real pleasure to work with.  Here’s a thread with his contact info:

http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=56339

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Todd Adornato wrote: Chris Smith wrote: Does anyone have a stock pile of the OTR 2 conductor head wire. If so and you are willing to part with some please pm me. Tks
If you can’t find any, Tony Clayton makes an excellent 2 conductor wire using the same wire as in the leads for multimeters.   Very flexible and a real pleasure to work with.  Here’s a thread with his contact info:

http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=56339
Tks Todd. I found some of the OTR and hopefully can get enough to hold me over for a bit. I am also ordering some of Tony's wire as well. 

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Tony can make custom wire that exactly matches the original wire. 
Chad Baker at Antique Fan Parts sells the 2- and 3-conductor OTR wire. 

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David Hoatson wrote: Tony can make custom wire that exactly matches the original wire. 
Chad Baker at Antique Fan Parts sells the 2- and 3-conductor OTR wire. 
I'm in the process of ordering with Tony, and Chads wire is out of stock.

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Tony is the go-to guy now for custom wire. He just sent me a really nice piece for an Emerson.http://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/57034.html

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Tony's wire is top notch! I was lucky enough to get a chunk of sheathed three conductor head wire from him. He uses the best individual wire you can find and does a beautiful job putting it all together. Tony has really gone all out on reproducing quality authentic looking wire.

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