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 Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2018 02:58 am
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Russ Huber
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http://www.bauerelectronicsinc.com/our-products.html     Outside Sheathing

http://www.daburn.com/2671UltraFlexibleSub-MiniatureWire-U/LSTYLE15681692.aspx   Ultra flexible fine multi-fine internal 18 gauge wire.

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 Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2018 12:25 pm
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Thanks for posting Russ.  Some of us been wondering how we were going to survive without OTR's headwire any longer.



If you have or plan to sample any of these please share with us here on the forum to see how it compares with OTR's version.



thanks.........Dan H.

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 Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2018 01:55 pm
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There is business within and hour from my home that is a supplier of numerous old phones, parts and wire.

What I noticed at my visit was spools of various phone related cloth sheathed wire.  One spool contained 3 cloth sheathed wires within a single black woven sheathing. The copper wires within were phone related light gauge wires.  What caught my attention is how supple the sheathed 3 wire cord was.  Ideal for head cord. The outside woven sheathing was beautifully done. I spoke to one of the owners of the company and she gave me the name of the company that did the outside sheathing.  It is Bauer Electronics of Bend, Oregon.  I posted their website above.

OTR's secret for the supple wire is not rocket science.  The secret is WHO their supplier was of the highly flexible fine 18 gauge multi-strand insulated wire within their sheathing. IF ANYONE KNOWS, OR CAN GET IN CONTACT WITH SOMEONE THAT WAS AFFILIATED WITH THE OTR WIRE THEY MUST HAVE SOME RECORD OF WHERE THEY GOT THEIR WIRE.

The other alternative is I am going to call Bauer Electronics to discuss this with them. Being they have years of experience as a wire supplier they may know or have a source of a highly flexible multi-strand 18 gauge wire. 


What we don't want is someone here getting in between the supplier and us to make profit and increase the cost of the wire. 


   

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 Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2018 03:28 pm
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Noted on that and thanks for help tracking that down.

Another feature of that OTR wire was that the insulation was silicone, not PVC.  PVC is much more rigid and the silicone insulation allowed the high strand counts to flex.

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Dan Hilton wrote: Another feature of that OTR wire was that the insulation was silicone, not PVC.  PVC is much more rigid and the silicone insulation allowed the high strand counts to flex.

Dan H.

https://www.amazon.com/BNTECHGO-Silicone-Flexible-Stranded-Impedance/dp/B06Y2G7C9V

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Is there anyone that had close connection with those involved at OTR? Being they went out of the business maybe they would share the source of their flexible silicone insulated multi-strand 18 gauge wire? 

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The RC car wire looks perfect. The OTR wire had red and green tracer threads that I don't think are needed. Agreed? It also had some filler strands of cotton to give it a rounder shape. 
I think it would be nice to have a version for Emersons that has a larger diameter and a rounder shape. And maybe a sheathed & twisted 2-conductor power cord with less filler so the shape of the conductors show through the sheath better.

The tightness of the twist matters, too. Cable can be made more or less limp. Some twisted wire used for power cords is too stiff. 

Another thing - Some ceiling fans used solid wire with a small gage, maybe 22 AWG solid with thin insulation. 

I've been collecting wire from old fans. Maybe, for instance, there is a market for exact replacement wire for common fans.

The way to keep the cost low is to order the wire in large quantities. To do this, someone would have to invest several thousand dollars per style, then manage the ordering and mailing. Probably will take a lot of time and barely break even.

I think the 3-conductor head wire is needed first. Agreed?

What do we need?

I may be willing to get the wire produced and distributed. I have designed custom cabling when I worked in defense. 

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David,



I think you're on the mark with the need of a superflex 3 wire conductor headwire as a priority.



Also understanding that's a big undertaking but just passing along that I speak for at least a couple of restorers here in STL that we'd be mucho appreciative for any effort in this regard.



.....Dan H.

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I'd be keen to figure out a replacement for OTR as well.

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I called Bauer Electric and left a message to call on their answering machine in the morning.  No return call as of yet.  

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Russ,
I have purchased OTR-W.  Unfortunately she cleared out all the 3 conductor hardwire.  I'm working with the manufacturer to place a large order and restock all the wire OTR  supplied.  It will not be much longer until that wonderful  wire is available again. 

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That's awesome Chad !

Dan H.

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Chad Baker wrote: Russ,
I have purchased OTR-W.  Unfortunately she cleared out all the 3 conductor hardwire.  I'm working with the manufacturer to place a large order and restock all the wire OTR  supplied.  It will not be much longer until that wonderful  wire is available again. 

Hey Chad,  thanks for the update.  I had no clue you were involved in this. I wish you all the best in this adventure.  OTR still has their latest wire offerings and prices online.  I am sure you will be working in our best interests to match OTR wire quality and affordability of the wire.  Good luck! 

  OTR + WIRE
(formerly Olde Tyme Radio Company, family-owned since 1970)


(3)  3-conductor, Black Twisted head cord with black cloth sheath.  #18 gauge stranded.  Very flexible.
            Price:  50ft roll @ $2.00/ft.  For lesser amounts $2.20/ft.






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Chad needs to make a profit to succeed. OTR probably operated like a non-profit. 

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David Hoatson wrote: OTR probably operated like a non-profit. 
Chad Baker wrote: I have purchased OTR-W.  



Sundial price per foot with 16 gauge wire(more copper).


3-CONDUCTOR 16-GAUGE BLACK COTTON OVERBRAID CORD - by the foot Item Number:  W163CSBKXXMNF
Price:  $2.25





OTR + WIRE (formerly Olde Tyme Radio Company, family-owned since 1970) (3)  3-conductor, Black Twisted head cord with black cloth sheath.  #18 gauge stranded.  Very flexible.             Price:  50ft roll @ $2.00/ft.  For lesser amounts $2.20/ft.


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David Hoatson wrote:  OTR probably operated like a non-profit. 
I recently called the number for OTR prior to Chad's post.  I left a message on their answering service if they would give me the source of their multi-strand silicone insulation flexible wire. It appears the old OTR had no intention of sharing anything about their business. That kind of tosses the non-profit aspect out the window.  :D


Next time I go past that old phone sales and restoration business I'll take some snaps of the cloth sheathing on those rolls of wire they had. Definitely not Sundial. They had some impressive cloth sheathed parallel. She had supplier catalogues I was totally unfamiliar with.  It's a big world out there. 

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Chad Baker wrote: Russ,
I have purchased OTR-W.  Unfortunately she cleared out all the 3 conductor hardwire.  I'm working with the manufacturer to place a large order and restock all the wire OTR  supplied.  It will not be much longer until that wonderful  wire is available again. 

Good to know and I am glad to hear it.

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Chad Baker wrote: Russ,
I have purchased OTR-W.  Unfortunately she cleared out all the 3 conductor hardwire.  I'm working with the manufacturer to place a large order and restock all the wire OTR  supplied.  It will not be much longer until that wonderful  wire is available again. 


Yay Chad!

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