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 Posted: Sat Jun 9th, 2018 04:26 am
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Russell Duncan
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Hi. Hopefully someone with a bit of R&M knowledge can help me with this...

I just received a Robbins and Myers model 1704 fan as a birthday present from a good friend who knows that I have a small collection of old fans. She had a no-name shipping company in Brooklyn pack it for her and lets just say it was not the best packing job ever. Opening the box and seeing a fairly large, assembled fan floating naked in peanuts, I knew I was in for trouble.

And yes, yes I was... They had not disconnected the oscillating arm from the grease box - the box was shattered and had broken away from the motor casting. Surprisingly though, the cage is in glorious, perfect condition with a new looking R&M badge.

Knowing full well it was a waste of time, I ran a bead of solder down the crack and reinforced it with epoxy putty on the interior. It ended up looking great but was (of course) an utter structural failure.

After a little research, I discovered that the R&M 1604 & 1704 use the same motor/housing. I found someone parting out the more "common" 1604. The rear motor housing with grease cup arrived today and presto... slid onto my gift-fan perfectly. The ONLY thing is, upon attaching the oscillator arm.... I noticed that where it connects to the body of the fan... the body had seen some damaged. Will it still work? Probably, but it looks a little compromised.

I know this is not an especially desirable fan for collectors (not expensive)  BUT it is a gift from a dear friend and she was so incredibly proud of it – has called me twice to talk about it. I've not had the heart to tell her it arrived as it did. I want to get it back to being as good as when she found it.... better even.

SO MY QUESTION IS— I've found a non-working 12 inch version (model 1504)  of my 16 inch (model 1704) fan and was curious if anyone knows – maybe the motors and base are the same just the blades are a different size? I know this is (dumb) wishful thinking but maybe not? Or, if anyone knows where I could find a parts fan... I'm all ears.

Thanks for reading this and for any assistance. I'll post some photos.

Russell


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 Posted: Sat Jun 9th, 2018 04:35 am
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Hi Russell,Sorry to hear of the damage to your fan.   So that others will know what fan you have can you post some photos?  I have no idea what those models are and most people probably don't either.

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 Posted: Sat Jun 9th, 2018 05:42 am
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Here's a catalog page with basic specs of the models I mentioned. (Should expand when clicked.) I'll attach some photos as well. My 1704 is a bit in pieces right now but I'll find a decent representation image for it.
-RD



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Here's the 1504.








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and here's the 1704... (look familiar?) The condition of mine looks on par with this one – actually a bit shinier. I should have also mentioned... in spite of it's issues.... my fan runs strong a quiet....











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Here's the damage I currently have.....

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...and here's the delightful way my fan arrived.... I've cleaned out all the grease to see what I was working with....


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 Posted: Sat Jun 9th, 2018 03:07 pm
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OK, now I know what your fan is and I used to have one in each size but long ago sold.  I don't have anything to help you with your fan but a tip on packing fans.  This is a 16" R&M I was preparing to ship.   I ship my fans intact, resting on their backs, and provide very good cushioning to protect fragile parts such as the oscillator gearbox.   Here I have used a chunk of scrounged closed cell foam cut to shape or hollowed out as needed with a small serrated knife.   With the gearbox surrounded by the foam it will not be in contact with the box or anything once laid on its back.   I don't really recommend packing this way due to the fact that few people may realize all of the small things one has to do for a safe journey.  If anyone wants to see more of my packing methods read the entire thread here-http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=9571

Good luck with your fan Russell.   Buyers have to be proactive with sellers to instruct them on how to pack the items they have won.  You can't assume the seller has any knowledge on the fragility of the items.   I have had no damage in well over a 100 fans shipped and really have had no catastrophic damage in fans received, just a few bent blades or cages but no busted metal.



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  That's a great catalog page. R&M rebadged 10" 3 speed oscillating fans one year to commemorate I believe , Geo. Worthington's 100th  year anniversary in business. I would think the neck pieces on the 1504 & 1704 would be the same. Good luck with that save , I've had lots of boxes show up just like yours did.

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Thanks for the replies Geoff & Steve.

I may pull the trigger on the parts fan in a few days. It's a bit more than I wanted to pay and the seller is not especially forthcoming with answers to my questions... but it's not going to break me I suppose.

Maybe someone here has the 1504 and can measure that little hinge for me.... if not... I'll just buy the 12" and report back here as to whether or not they are the same body.

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be careful on swapping parts, I have (2) 1704 versions both early with out the bullet, they are made differently, the gear box cover from one will not fit the other (due to casting differences) . my point is unless it is the exact same year the parts might be different . Lawrence sorry don't have a better pic at the moment

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Now you're just showing off... :P

Thanks for the info Lawrence. Oddly enough, my gearbox/rear motor cover was from a 1604 "standard" fan. I read that they took the same motor but suspected the castings would not match somehow. I was pleasantly surprised when it arrived. It could be that I got lucky and the donor fan and mine were from around the same year. Oiler inlet and gears aligned perfectly as did the rear motor housing. I considered myself luck – UNTIL I SAW THE ADDITIONAL DAMAGE!  

Is that the little 10" version of this fan sitting on the table? You sure you don't have some 1704 parts lying around there? Or a 1504 you could size for me?

Anyway, thanks again for the info Lawrence.

RD

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no i don't have a 1504 (12") I only have the 10 & 16" versions-- those were a lucky find recently ,all have issues & the guy wanted to get rid of them-- (as is, no testing) price was right so I brought them home. I wanted to swap bases on the 16" -- one has great motor paint & the other has a great base-- but after seeing the gear box issue I figured more problems will arise in a swap like that. I doubt the motors are the same --the 16" uses a 2.0 mfd capacitor & I'm guessing the 12" does not have a capacitor. I know where another 1704 is & I'll ask if he still has it. I'm planning on keeping one & the other is going south the the Bahama's 

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Thanks for helping me out Lawrence... just let me know if the other 1704 is still hanging around. Really appreciate it.
-R

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