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| Posted: Sat Oct 13th, 2018 01:54 am |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member 
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I got this 20” Fresh’nd Aire fan today and discovered that someone has retrofitted a different motor into it. They did a pretty good job, but this motor has an awful rattling sound to it. What would be the odds of finding and original GE motor and choke coil (the switch is present thankfully)? Do any of the other sizes use the same motor? Also, how would much motor cost? I’m hoping it’ll be less than $50. I think I know where there is a beat up 17” locally (not sure if they still have it or not). Would that use the same motor? If so, I might go see if they still have it and make them an offer on it (I didn’t see a price on it when I saw it).
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13th, 2018 02:16 am |
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Lucas Beshara AFCA Member 
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Most of the freshy motors are interchangeable. Redmond and GE will swap no problem. Housing sizes are the same for the 14-20” fans. I’ve got a toasty one that needs a rewind. It’s one of the hardest motors to rewind on the planet though. I’d make sure that speed control is good before hooking up a good motor to it.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13th, 2018 02:23 am |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Thanks for the info Lucas! Definitely gotta get back over there and see it they still have that 17” Freshy.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13th, 2018 06:07 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Good news! Picked up that Freshy I was talking about for $6! It’s actually a 20” too. Don’t know why I was thinking it was a 17”. Will post pics later! Last edited on Sat Oct 13th, 2018 06:07 pm by Zackri Higgins |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13th, 2018 09:40 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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How do you replace the oil wick In the GE Freshy motor?
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13th, 2018 10:25 pm |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member 
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Zackri Higgins wrote: How do you replace the oil wick In the GE Freshy motor? There is a press fit cap if memory serves me right you pop off. You have dig out the old felt wadding, clean out the reservoir, and repack it new.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13th, 2018 10:26 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Thank you Russ!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13th, 2018 10:41 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Is this the cap? If so, how do you get it off? Attached Image (viewed 547 times):
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 02:18 am |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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It appears that is indeed the cap I need to remove. Anyone on here removed one before? If so, how’d you do it? This motor was DISGUSTING, so I definitely want to change the felt.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 02:51 am |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Also, what should the ohm readings on the stator be? It seems to kind of fluctuate in the 4.0/3.5 area. Is that normal? I’m thinking it’s not, but I don’t know. Edit: Hmm..... now it’s reading 5.3. Edit: Now it’s 12 ohms! I think the windings may be shot. Edit: Would there be any harm in plugging it into a GFI outlet and just seeing what happens? Last edited on Sun Oct 14th, 2018 05:01 am by Zackri Higgins |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 04:33 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Here’s a pic of the stator. How bad does it look? Attached Image (viewed 489 times):
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 06:31 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Never mind. When I pulled the slightly damage shaft out, it destroyed the front bearing. The bearing has deep scratches in it and the shaft is extremely stiff when it’s installed now. Spun great before I disassembled it. Crying shame. Last edited on Sun Oct 14th, 2018 06:32 pm by Zackri Higgins |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 06:48 pm |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Your windings appear cooked unless that is a dark insulating varnish. Attached Image (viewed 467 times): Last edited on Sun Oct 14th, 2018 06:49 pm by Russ Huber |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 06:54 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Thanks for the info Russ. I didn’t think they looked too good. What would a good motor run me? I might consider buying one if it’s pretty cheap.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 06:55 pm |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Zackri Higgins wrote: Never mind. When I pulled the slightly damage shaft out, it destroyed the front bearing. The bearing has deep scratches in it and the shaft is extremely stiff when it’s installed now. Spun great before I disassembled it. Crying shame. If the blade mounting end of a shaft has grime build up or burrs you take a fine wire wheel or fine wet dry to it first before removing it. The scratches in bearing are nothing to worry about if the windings are good. this is a low budget motor, not a 92 Lundell. 
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 06:57 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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When I put the shaft back it seemed really stiff, but maybe I didn’t have something lined up correctly. I’ll check it again.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 06:57 pm |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Zackri Higgins wrote: Thanks for the info Russ. I didn’t think they looked too good. What would a good motor run me? I might consider buying one if it’s pretty cheap. The one you have may be fine if the windings have healthy copper with dark insulating varnish.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 07:00 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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If I can get the shaft spinning freely again, I’ll try and plug it in and see what happens. Hopefully it doesn’t go up in smoke
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 07:43 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Got the shaft spinning freely again and the motor actually works! It buzzes really bad though because the strings tied around the windings fell apart. Going to replace the string and varnish the  out of it and that should quiet it down a lot.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 08:37 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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So glad that the bearing turned out to be okay. I thought this project was dead. Here is the beast that I am restoring. It has a Fresh’nd Aire “Special” tag on it, but I thought the “Special” models had a different base? I haven’t seen another Special with the normal base aside from this. The blade is absolutely perfect on it. Not a single chip. All cage clips are also present. Attached Image (viewed 443 times): Last edited on Sun Oct 14th, 2018 08:38 pm by Zackri Higgins |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 08:41 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Here is the cage from the one I picked up for $6 yesterday. It’s in pretty rough shape. Attached Image (viewed 438 times):
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 08:42 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Here’s the blade from that one. Quite a few chips, but I think it could be used still. I think once I get the good one all fixed up, I’m going to reassemble the Model 2000 with the (box fan?) motor that’s in the Model 20 just for the heck of it. Attached Image (viewed 437 times): Last edited on Sun Oct 14th, 2018 08:46 pm by Zackri Higgins |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 08:47 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Here’s the tag on the 2000 (this is the $6 rust bucket). Attached Image (viewed 431 times): Last edited on Mon Oct 15th, 2018 05:07 pm by Zackri Higgins |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 08:47 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Tag on the Model 20. Attached Image (viewed 432 times):
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15th, 2018 05:05 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Anyone have any idea about what year these two fans are from? I’m also curious about what makes my Model 20 a “Special”. Last edited on Mon Oct 15th, 2018 05:08 pm by Zackri Higgins |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2018 01:46 am |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Despite my best efforts to save this stator, the windings are shot (it threw sparks on me yesterday). However, I’ve been wanting to get into rewinding, and this seems like the perfect opportunity to give it a shot. I know this stator is not worth having it rewound, but if I can do it myself I don’t really see any reason not to.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2018 02:46 am |
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Lucas Beshara AFCA Member
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That is the hardest stator on the planet to rewind. I’ll save you some time if you are going to try it. 300 wraps of 20 ga wire a coil. Tiny slots that barely accept one strand of wire that are razor sharp and nick the varnish off at the slightest mis-step. Not trying to dissuade you. If you can rewind that motor any other motor will seem too easy, and you can join me and Rick in the motor winding hall of fame!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2018 06:53 am |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Lucas, THANK YOU for the info! That saved me a lot of time! Thanks for the heads up on the difficulty of rewinding this stator too. I’ll report back if I’m successful!!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2018 12:31 pm |
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Lawrence Smith Guest 
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I might have a correct motor for that 20, i have 3-20 freshy's all with different issues,& each one has a different mount or blade combo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2018 06:19 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Lawrence, I’ll keep that in mind in case I’m not successful in rewinding mine.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 16th, 2019 06:26 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Okay, I’m thinking about ordering the stuff to attempt this rewind soon. Based on what Lucas Beshara said (see above), would a 471 foot roll of wire be enough?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 16th, 2019 07:52 pm |
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Lucas Beshara AFCA Member
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I went through 5 lbs of Temco wire on my first one. Get the high heat stuff. These motors run hot
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| Posted: Sat Mar 16th, 2019 07:53 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Lucas Beshara wrote: I went through 5 lbs of Temco wire on my first one. Get the high heat stuff. These motors run hotHow many feet is 5lbs? Sorry if that’s a dumb question, this is all new territory for me Edit: okay I found it. A little more than I was looking to spend on the little endeavor. I might just look for a new motor instead. If it was a particularly valuable fan I wouldn’t think twice about it. Might even just go ahead and look for a whole other working fan. The 20” Freshys are pretty common. Last edited on Sat Mar 16th, 2019 08:01 pm by Zackri Higgins |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17th, 2019 12:26 pm |
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Lawrence Smith Guest
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Zack ,my offer still stands
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29th, 2019 07:21 pm |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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Lawrence Smith wrote: Zack ,my offer still standsJust now saw your post Lawrence. I’ll send you a PM soon.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18th, 2019 09:00 am |
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Zackri Higgins AFCA Member
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What would a working General Electric motor with the choke coil for this thing run me? Prices on eBay are insane, so no luck there. Haven’t checked any of my local junk shops in a while though, so I’ll check there first, but I’d like to get an idea of what a motor would run me on here. My luck so far has been terrible with these Freshys; first one I buy has the wrong motor entirely in it, and the second one has the right motor, but is burned out! 
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