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 Posted: Tue Oct 30th, 2018 01:41 am
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03-05 straight arm with fan motor pivot mounted on top of straight arm. Unaware of any to surface as of yet.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 30th, 2018 01:45 am
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06-07/08? Jandus straight arm with fan motor pivots mounted on the ends.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 30th, 2018 01:49 am
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Jandus implements the weiner arm fixture POSSIBLY 07...for sure ...........08

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 Posted: Tue Oct 30th, 2018 02:49 am
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Was Jandus using GE Pancake Motors on some of their Gyro Fans?

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Levi Mevis wrote: Was Jandus using GE Pancake Motors on some of their Gyro Fans?
Jandus gyros 1903(introduction)were HIGHER MAINTAINENCE brush motor fans alternating and direct current. Starting in 1906 Jandus used BRUSHLESS self starting AC GE induction motor cakes in place of the AC brushed ball motors.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 30th, 2018 03:58 am
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That's interesting. Which Gyro fans are more common to find today, the GE Pancake ones or the Ball Motor ones?

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Jandus 09 gyro fixture was changed from its 07/08 introduction.

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07-08 Jandus gyro.

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1912/13-20 Jandus AC gyro.

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Are the motors on the later Gyros based on GE BMY/SMY motors or are they a design of Jandus' own?

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Levi Mevis wrote: Are the motors on the later Gyros based on GE BMY/SMY motors or are they a design of Jandus' own?
?.  :wondering:

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Russ Huber wrote: Levi Mevis wrote: Are the motors on the later Gyros based on GE BMY/SMY motors or are they a design of Jandus' own?
?.  :wondering:

What's that supposed to mean? I was just asking if the design of the later Gyros motors was based on the GE SMY/BMY motors or if Jandus went back to their own design again like they did with the ball motors when they first released the Gyro Fans. 

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Levi Mevis wrote: Russ Huber wrote: Levi Mevis wrote: Are the motors on the later Gyros based on GE BMY/SMY motors or are they a design of Jandus' own?
?.  :wondering:

What's that supposed to mean? I was just asking if the design of the later Gyros motors was based on the GE SMY/BMY motors or if Jandus went back to their own design again like they did with the ball motors when they first released the Gyro Fans. 

It simply means I don't know. Ok? The fan motors on this gyro pictured are a mystery as to the true manufacturer to date. AB/Jandus had to have a split phase (centrifugal start) fan motor for the gyros.

In the 1911 GE fan motor bulletin it was announced that the CENTRIFUGAL START mechanism was being eliminated for the fan motors for that season. At some point between 1910-12 GE had switched completely to phase shift start desk fan motors requiring a speed coil.

WHERE DID AB/JANDUS GET THIER SPLIT PHASE(CENTRIFUGAL START) FAN MOTORS AFTER GE DISCONTINUED PRODUCTION OF THEIR SPLIT PHASE?  The world may never know.  

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Look at what I found today

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I’m guessing 1912 or 13 by the info above

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Definitely the AB motors, has the front terminals

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Here’s the tag pic, probably sideways

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Blades are steel with brass cast hubs. 14 1/2” diameter. We’re they originally nickel plated or blued? Down rod looks like it was blued.   I do see some copper and blued parts on the blade now after a little cleaning.  Too far gone to save.  Would it be sacrilege to have brass blades put on or would you stick with the original theme?  I just want to get it up and running for now though😀

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Mark Behrend wrote: We’re they originally nickel plated or blued? Down rod looks like it was blued
Who in the h ell knows?  :D That tag I think is covering a Jandus Electric tag. My guess is 11+ transitional. NOBODY knows for fact who made those motors. The 1911 GE fan motor bulletin announced the elimination of the centrifugal start(split phase) fan motors. AB/Jandus would have had to find an alternative split phase motor for their AC gyro. Adams & Bagnall only advertised small AC motor manufacture late in the game. Those odd AC centrifugal start AB/Jandus badged motors "may" have been outsourced.

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Thanks Russ!😀

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Russ Huber wrote: Mark Behrend wrote: We’re they originally nickel plated or blued? Down rod looks like it was blued
That tag I think is covering a Jandus Electric tag. My guess is 11+ transitional. 

I have to backtrack on my above statement and clarify the facts. I don't know for FACT what tag is under that AB cover tag displaying the serial # through the window. I don't know for FACT when AB implemented the odd AC centrifugal start motor into the Jandus fan motor line.








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I DO know for FACT that Adams & Bagnall was ABSORBED by National Screw & Tack in late 1920. This is a heads up that the odd centrifugal start AB/Jandus motors were STILL on the market as late as 21, and possibly later.







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So say between 1911 and 1921 is the possibility. If I break this fan down that far I will see what’s hidden beneath the tag😀

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