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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 05:36 pm
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Jeff Gegler
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I know you are all probably sick of these, “Is it worth it?,” posts, especially as subjective as the topic is, but as I explained last night I am very new to this. I don’t mind paying what something is worth or even a little more if I really like it but I don’t want to be taken advantage of either. (BTW, I’m getting the fan I mentioned last night.)
I found a 12” Hawthorn Vane (AC). The attached picture doesn’t show it but he has the vane for it. He hasn’t run it but it is not seized. It’s rough but I know highly collectible. If it’s a ballpark OK price, I may get it if he would spread it out over a couple of months. If not and someone else was interested, I could pick it up, pack it as you want it, and ship it out for you if you pay the shipping costs, assuming he wouldn’t do it.

If I got it, I would then have to find someone here to restore it. :-)

He wants $700. 

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 05:47 pm
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Richard Daugird
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I'd say go for it.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 06:37 pm
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At $700 the only problem I can see is if it does not run and the motor is bad.  Or if the switch is missing.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 07:31 pm
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Richard Daugird
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Bargaining chips.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 08:01 pm
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$700 is a fair price IF:

1. it will run
2. all the parts are there for the vane and not bent or creased or otherwise damaged
3. the switch operates for all three speeds.

It's hard to tell from the picture but you may only need to clean the paint job with some FLITZ and then polish it with some Meguiars auto polish. These fans probably date to 1906 to 1913. The one I have is a 1909 Westinghouse. I didn't do anything at all to the paint except clean and polish it. The vane mechanism is a fairly complex mechanism with springs and little pieces (washers and so forth) so you want to be sure that all of the pieces are there or it won't operate the way it should and you will have to source them at some expense. I paid to have the brass refinished on my vane fan and it looks amazing. Others prefer to leave the brass patina as is. That's your call and your preference.

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It looks like the paint is good under the dirt!

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If you can afford it and want a vane, buy it! I don't have one and not really sure the worth of them but I think it's in the ballpark

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The price of vane fans has gone down some what.I have a Westy vane that is complete, it works, paint is a little rough, I would sell it for $700.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 08:54 pm
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David Kilnapp wrote: $700 is a fair price IF:

...3. the switch operates for all three speeds.

...These fans probably date to 1906 to 1913. 
Classtime on vane oscillators:

Vane oscillators are, like most Westy tanks, two speeds only.   If you find one with a voltage range of 112-115 volts it is probably a three speed although I am not aware that the vane came in other than two speeds.   Two speed tanks have a voltage rating of either 100-110 volts or 111-120 volts.  The 112-115 volt fans are three speeds.


First made in 1909 by Westinghouse and, I think, the Western Electric vane was also first offered in 1909.   Last year for the Westy vane oscillator was 1914


Hope this helps David.   I don't keep all this in my noggin but have done research over the years and written it down.   I hope I have the details correct.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 10:24 pm
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For the short time I have been collecting it seems vanes have dropped. I have seen nice working original finish fans go for $700 and a little less. That fan has been for sale for a while now with no one jumping on it. I’d throw out a lower offer so you have a little breathing room. I saw it listed over a month ago but couldn’t bring myself to make the drive to get it for that price. Maybe make a deal on all the fans the seller has and get a bulk price. Best of luck. 

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 11:21 pm
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you'd be better of buying the complete running one(offered above) for that price 

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I paid a $1000 for my Westinghouse Vane but it had all the parts. I just had to buy new grommets and bushings. I'm happy with what I payed for it. It's an unique fan and everyone that that I show it to is amazed the way it operates. In my opinion I think $700 is a little to high in the condition that that one is in.

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 Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 03:06 am
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I agree that fan is overpriced.  In February 2018 I purchased this fan for $800 on eBay in very good condition:



I replaced one missing acorn nut and the power cord.  I think the vane bushings are homemade out of walnut, but I would never replace them.  The fan runs and oscillates perfectly.  I asked the seller to ship the fan in two separate boxes which cost another $100, including insurance.

However, there are a lot of valuable parts on your fan.  My guesses are the original vane (in good condition) could be worth $300+ and the cage with badge 250+. If both vane stops and brush caps are OK then the stump could be worth another $200-300+. I.e., you have a very good start if these are all in good, usable condition.

There is significant risk buying a vane oscillator that is not in running condition. Make sure the motor swivels freely on the base.   It is common for these fans to have a head assembly that has been broken or damaged, which can set you back several hundred dollars to get repaired - they can be finicky to get to work properly.  Also, the head wires can be daunting to replace if you're a novice.   Do your research; e.g., search for "head assembly" on the forum to get an idea of what you might be getting into, etc.  The good news is the motor, switch and speed coil are mostly composed of standard Westinghouse Tank parts.  You should be able to find a "parts fan" without much trouble, but it might not be worth it.

In this recent thread: http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=52678&forum_id=1&highlight=vane+assembly Geoff Dunaway states an excellent, complete, working vane oscillator is worth $900-$1,200.  Is this fan worth$700?  I can't say that it is; but then, I'm going to be paying off Christmas for quite a while.

Hope this helps.
-Edward

  

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 Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 03:48 am
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Edward Stokes wrote: I agree that fan is overpriced.  In February 2018 I purchased this fan for $800 on eBay in very good condition:



I replaced one missing acorn nut and the power cord.  I think the vane bushings are homemade out of walnut, but I would never replace them.  The fan runs and oscillates perfectly.  I asked the seller to ship the fan in two separate boxes which cost another $100, including insurance.

However, there are a lot of valuable parts on your fan.  My guesses are the original vane (in good condition) could be worth $300+ and the cage with badge 250+. If both vane stops and brush caps are OK then the stump could be worth another $200-300+. I.e., you have a very good start if these are all in good, usable condition.

There is significant risk buying a vane oscillator that is not in running condition. Make sure the motor swivels freely on the base.   It is common for these fans to have a head assembly that has been broken or damaged, which can set you back several hundred dollars to get repaired - they can be finicky to get to work properly.  Also, the head wires can be daunting to replace if you're a novice.   Do your research; e.g., search for "head assembly" on the forum to get an idea of what you might be getting into, etc.  The good news is the motor, switch and speed coil are mostly composed of standard Westinghouse Tank parts.  You should be able to find a "parts fan" without much trouble, but it might not be worth it.

In this recent thread: http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=52678&forum_id=1&highlight=vane+assembly Geoff Dunaway states an excellent, complete, working vane oscillator is worth $900-$1,200.  Is this fan worth$700?  I can't say that it is; but then, I'm going to be paying off Christmas for quite a while.

Hope this helps.
-Edward
    
Thank you and everyone else here so much. I agree that not running is a significant downside.  The vane is a reproduction done by Paul Graves (a member here?) who I had heard of already for doing great work on those. 
I think I will pass on it and look for one I am more sure of. He has a complete and restored Westinghouse Vane and a huge collection, including an alcohol powered fan, that he invited my son and I over to see. He has a bunch of others for sale too, so maybe my son will get one of his cheaper ones that he knows how to work on. 

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