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 Posted: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 11:01 pm
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Jim Kovar
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So, who made it?   :wondering:
I want one!   :D



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 Posted: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 11:10 pm
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Don Tener
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Paragon

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 Posted: Sat Jan 12th, 2019 12:07 am
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Don Tener wrote: Paragon

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 Posted: Sat Jan 12th, 2019 12:08 am
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 Posted: Sat Jan 12th, 2019 12:47 am
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Russ Huber wrote:

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I'm guessing that is NOT a Paragon, it looks like a Paragon from the front but from the side its a completely different shape than the Paragon motor... :wondering: 

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Levi Mevis wrote: Russ Huber wrote:

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I'm guessing that is NOT a Paragon, it looks like a Paragon from the front but from the side its a completely different shape than the Paragon motor... :wondering: 

This fan motor was made for one season, this being 1896.  The company that made it placed newly designed fan motors on the market the following season of 97.

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I was gonna guess Western Electric or R & M since both companies have been around about the same amount of time and R & M often times made fan outfits for Western Electric.

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Russ Huber posted:

Thanks, Russ!


Just knew I've seen
that fan before.

https://afcaforum.com/forum1/44090.html

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 Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 10:30 am
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Jim, can you post the source of the 96 WE image on your first post? 


For those who don't know, Western Electric was a major player marketer for numerous manufacturers. But, WE manufactured their own line of fan motors and marketed them starting in 96 spanning to roughly 10. Primarily direct current models with exception of a brushed laminated stator AC model introduced in 07. 

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Russ Huber wrote: Jim, can you post the source of the 96 WE image on your first post?


https://books.google.com/books?id=HspCyOFuJVoC&pg=PA66#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Just looking at W.E. literature and catalogs from 1894 to 1916 and was pleasantly surprised to see that in April 1897, they were selling (on page 311 or 341, of Electric Light Supplies.)
                    "Fan Motors for Alternating Current Incandescent Circuits up to 110 Volts.

                                                          Meston Brushless Fan Motor.

                                                                                  &

                                                          Meston Standard Fan Motor."

ONE MORE PROOF, OF MANY, THAT THEY DO EXIST!!!

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Bill Hoehn wrote:
Just looking at W.E. literature and catalogs from 1894 to 1916 and was pleasantly surprised to see that in April 1897, they were selling (on page 311 or 341, of Electric Light Supplies.)
                    "Fan Motors for Alternating Current Incandescent Circuits up to 110 Volts.

                                                          Meston Brushless Fan Motor.

                                                                                  &

                                                          Meston Standard Fan Motor."

ONE MORE PROOF, OF MANY, THAT THEY DO EXIST!!!

"Electrical trade/retailers" used the long established BRUSHED Meston name connecting it to the brushless induction AC Emerson desk fans at times into 98. 

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Actual Emerson advertisements and catalogue material 95+ differentiates between the brushed Meston and Emerson brushless induction fan motor.

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Russ,
You are so talented with the computer as are my children, grand children and great grand children.

Oh, for the simple days when "photos didn't lie", there were no locks on doors, there was no television, people actually looked at each other and talked and socialized. 

Products were proudly made and identified as to what they were.

Thanks for again proving what almost all of us have always known.

Of course I'm referring to the Emerson Electric Manufacturing Company's early fans; both the "Old Standard  Brushed Meston" model and the "New Brushless Meston", both proudly identified on the castings.

Not one Meston ever made was marked and identified as an "Emerson brushless induction fan motor".


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Bill, in a nut shell, if it is a BRUSHED tripod AC Emerson spanning 92-97 manufacture, it is a "Meston" fan motor. 


The Emerson tripod AC induction desk fans manufactured starting in 95 WITHOUT brushes are Emerson Induction fan motors.  They are not Meston desk fans as they lack the critical motor design patented by the deceased Alexander Meston.


During the years spanning 95-98 while the Emerson Meston and Emerson brushless Induction motor shared the market you may find ELECTRICAL TRADE JOURNAL ADVERTISEMENT or RETAILER making reference to a Emerson brushless induction fan motor as a Meston. You will find however no Emerson catalogue or Emerson advertisement in electrical trade making reference to a brushless Emerson induction motor as a Meston.


The end bells used  on the tripods 95-97 are just that, end bells.
   

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Russ,

 I still prefer original sources, not trade magazines.  

Please review the 1893, 1894, 1895 and 1897 Emerson catalogues and see if you might join the owners of the New Meston Brushless Fan Motors in knowing what we possess!!!

Also my 1895 Emerson catalogue shows no reference to your Emerson Brushless Induction Fan Motor.

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The Electrical Workers' Journal - Volume 52https://books.google.com/books?id=q2l_AAAAMAAJ


1953 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions
In 1895, C. J. again entered the electrical business for himself in the electrical construction field, and he recalls installing the first a.c. machine in the west. ... F. E. also is the inventor of induction motors used by Emerson Electric. 

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Those brushless AC induction motor Emerson tripods introduced 1995 into the early 20th, and the single bearing design may all be credited to Fred Briner.


The brushed Meston(Alexander Meston motor patent) tripod was manufactured 92-97 with remaining stock sold off the 98 fan motor season.

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Russ,The "ancient" motor pictured, which I and others have, certainly is not a fan.  Pillsbury is also credited for making Emerson's first induction motor as are other early electricians. Don't forget the Meston brothers either.
Glad you qualified that with "may all be credited to Fred Briner."
Note the Briner brothers had a repair shop, not a manufacturing company.
There are many contradictions in that union sponsored publication.

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Bill Hoehn wrote: Note the Briner brothers had a repair shop, not a manufacturing company.
There are many contradictions in that union sponsored publication.

Quoted from the electrical journal article below: 


"Fred E. Briner, seven years younger than his brother, came to St.  Louis in 1889, and a year later was associated with Alex Meston. This association was later to lead to the present day Emerson Electric Company, one of the largest manufacturers of electric motors.

 Fred E. Briner later served as superintendent of the Emerson company and is credited with patents for the single bearing motor which is used today on all Emerson fan motors. Fred E. Briner also is the inventor of induction motors used by Emerson Electric."

 It sure sounds like Fred Briner and the Meston brothers Alex and Charles were thick as thieves during electric motor development at Emerson in the late 19th Century.  

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Bill, the above is not gospel.  But it is hard to contest the strong relationship the Briner brothers had with the Meston brothers. 

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