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 Posted: Sat Jan 12th, 2019 06:52 am
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Levi Mevis
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Hello Everyone, since receiving my 20" Signal Box Fan yesterday that I got from a fellow member on here, I decided I wanted to try and research the Signal Box Fans and see when exactly they were made and from what little information I could find online apparently they date to the 1950s (which is exactly what I guessed in my posting about my Signal Box Fan I recently acquired.) 


But here's the interesting thing,  It seems just like its predecessor company, Menominee's Fans, Signal fans also seem to be quite scarce as when I did a search just for Signal Box Fans on eBay all I could find was two ads for Signal Box Fans, one from 1955 and one from 1956, and that was just searching for Signal Box Fans! 

Doing a search of Signal fans in general revealed only 15 listings for Signal fans of any sort (whether it was Cool Spot table fans or a pre-Cool Spot table fans, or a floor circulator) which seems like Signal Fans (just like the Menominees before them) have become quite scarce unfortunately. 

The strange part is that Signal was around much longer than Menominee ever was making fans and also made far more fans than Menominee ever did but yet it seems that Signal Fans have somehow managed to become scarce in a much shorter period of time than the Menominee fans did seeing as Signal Electric was still in business making fans clear up to the 1980s but yet you don't see hardly any Signal fans ever come up for sale on ebay or anywhere else for that matter even though you would think that there would be way more Signal Fans left out there than Menominee Fans out there seeing as Signal was a much newer company than Menominee was (and also more or less replaced the Menominee Company) and most Menominee Fans were well over 40 years old by the time Signal was in its hayday in the 1950s and 1960s and when they were at their peak of manufacturing numbers as well. 

Does anyone have any idea why Signal fans are so scarce in comparison to other fans of comparable quality from the same time period like Emersons, Eskimos, GEs, Air Kings, Hunters or R & Ms?

I'm just kind of curious because it seems like any of the fans that were made in Menominee, Michigan (whether they were Menominee or Signal) seem to have a certain rarity factor going for them for some reason which is rather bizarre that fans from just one particular part of the Midwest are the most scarce and some of the more valuable of the collectible fans...  :wondering:

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 Posted: Sat Jan 12th, 2019 01:37 pm
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I'm with you. I have a very nice looking Ideal 350 (Menominee) that doesn't run. Haven't seen another one. Maybe a lot of these Signal-related fans stopped working and were trashed??? Just a guess...

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 Posted: Sat Jan 12th, 2019 03:41 pm
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Levi Mevis
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Jeff Montgomery wrote: I'm with you. I have a very nice looking Ideal 350 (Menominee) that doesn't run. Haven't seen another one. Maybe a lot of these Signal-related fans stopped working and were trashed??? Just a guess...
Interestinly enough someone gave me a non-working 1914 Menominee Staghorn Oscillator that was a first Generation Flare bottom model and when I got it home and took it apart to figure out what was wrong with it I realized that the reason why it wasn't working was because one of the wire leads going from the field coil to one of the brush holders had came loose inside the fan and so I took and disassembled the field coil winding that the brush wire lead came loose from cleaned up the wire leads and resoldered them back together and then re taped the motor winding with new friction tape and the fan has been working fine since.

I wonder if for some reason or another if headwire leads in these old Menominee and Signal fans came loose often and rather than paying a motor repairman to repair the broken wire leads they just trashed the fans because they figured they could get a new fan for half the price of what it would of cost to repair the old fan...

If that's the case then that's a rather unfortunate situation.

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 Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 01:10 am
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Levi Mevis wrote: Hello Everyone, since receiving my 20" Signal Box Fan yesterday that I got from a fellow member on here, I decided I wanted to try and research the Signal Box Fans and see when exactly they were made and from what little information I could find online apparently they date to the 1950s (which is exactly what I guessed in my posting about my Signal Box Fan I recently acquired.) 


But here's the interesting thing,  It seems just like its predecessor company, Menominee's Fans, Signal fans also seem to be quite scarce as when I did a search just for Signal Box Fans on eBay all I could find was two ads for Signal Box Fans, one from 1955 and one from 1956, and that was just searching for Signal Box Fans! 

Doing a search of Signal fans in general revealed only 15 listings for Signal fans of any sort (whether it was Cool Spot table fans or a pre-Cool Spot table fans, or a floor circulator) which seems like Signal Fans (just like the Menominees before them) have become quite scarce unfortunately. 

The strange part is that Signal was around much longer than Menominee ever was making fans and also made far more fans than Menominee ever did but yet it seems that Signal Fans have somehow managed to become scarce in a much shorter period of time than the Menominee fans did seeing as Signal Electric was still in business making fans clear up to the 1980s but yet you don't see hardly any Signal fans ever come up for sale on ebay or anywhere else for that matter even though you would think that there would be way more Signal Fans left out there than Menominee Fans out there seeing as Signal was a much newer company than Menominee was (and also more or less replaced the Menominee Company) and most Menominee Fans were well over 40 years old by the time Signal was in its hayday in the 1950s and 1960s and when they were at their peak of manufacturing numbers as well. 

Does anyone have any idea why Signal fans are so scarce in comparison to other fans of comparable quality from the same time period like Emersons, Eskimos, GEs, Air Kings, Hunters or R & Ms?

I'm just kind of curious because it seems like any of the fans that were made in Menominee, Michigan (whether they were Menominee or Signal) seem to have a certain rarity factor going for them for some reason which is rather bizarre that fans from just one particular part of the Midwest are the most scarce and some of the more valuable of the collectible fans...  :wondering:

My search for 'Signal Fan' comes back with 25 signal fans. Nevertheless, rarity does not always mean more value. Correlation does not always imply causation. If I had to guess, the manufacturer was smaller in comparison to companies like Emerson and GE that were more established. That combined with lesser quality probably meant that not many survived the trash heap.

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 Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 02:34 am
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Levi Mevis
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Alec, my comments in this post wasn't meant to imply that rarity = valuable, I was just making a casual observation about the fact that there isn't very many Signal fans out there anymore compared to Emerson or GE and I don't think quality had anything to do with it because a lot of your Signal fans were better quality than some of your GE fans of the same period and yet more GEs exist yet than Signals do. 

Also whenever I tried to Google Signal fans Google would return results about car turn signals rather than Signal Fans.

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Levi, I have seen bucket loads of Signal fans since I started collecting. I hope this gives you hope and makes you feel better.  :clap:

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 Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 03:00 am
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Levi Mevis
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Yeah, they just don't seem to be very common where I live it seems.

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 Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 04:00 am
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 Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 04:54 am
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I got one that belonged to m,y grand dad and use it in the garage.
They are around.

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 Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 12:17 pm
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Levi Mevis wrote: Alec, my comments in this post wasn't meant to imply that rarity = valuable, I was just making a casual observation about the fact that there isn't very many Signal fans out there anymore compared to Emerson or GE and I don't think quality had anything to do with it because a lot of your Signal fans were better quality than some of your GE fans of the same period and yet more GEs exist yet than Signals do. 

Also whenever I tried to Google Signal fans Google would return results about car turn signals rather than Signal Fans.

You are using Ebay as indicator of scarcity on a low value items when cost of postage is greater than value. Majority of items purchased on Ebay need to be shipped. 

Sellers not wanting to box up and mail low priced items and buyers not wanting to pay more in shipping than the value do not make Ebay ideal to base your scarcity evaluation.

Also you should be aware that asking price on Ebay does not always reflect values


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Andy and Barney had a Signal Cool Spot. 😬

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Here is the one that was my grandads
I have another that was a 16 inch  pedestal.
http://www.afcaforum.com/forum5/33867.html


Here is a link to what is left of the signal and yes I have done nothing to it as yet but turn it every once in a while and the cage still has the tree root pieces in it . The switch went bad and that was what  got it to the junk pile .
Im thinking of seeing if it will run without the switch and get it together to run.
The base was repurposed so will have to improvise something..http://www.afcaforum.com/forum2/35342.html
It has been inside since I dug it out.


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I have one in my bedroom that is my daily runner. I think I have one or two others as well.

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