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 Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2019 10:56 pm
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Jim Kovar
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I've been on the hunt for one

of these since I first had seen



this ad about 15 - 20 years ago.

https://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/38413-1.html





Alas, finally one appears on eBay.


This 10-day auction was to end this

this upcoming Sunday night, but...






some unscrupulous





scumbag  got the seller to


end the auction early and...



:pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed
:pissed  Man, this sh** really p***es me off!   :pissed

:pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed :pissed




If the new owner is an AFCA


member, you just lost any


respect that I'd ever give you.


I sincerely hope others would


agree.  Oh, please do show it


off so everyone will know who


you are and give you the homage


you so deserve.









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 Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2019 11:11 pm
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 Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 01:13 am
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Levi Mevis
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That was pretty lousy! 

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 Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 01:58 am
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Jim ....... I hope you've been in contact with the seller and pleaded your case.   I had this exact thing happen in a different area of collecting.   I immediately contacted the seller and they had indeed made a deal for a fraction of the item's worth.   Because I contacted him, he reneged on the sale and re-listed it on ebay.  

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Don Tener
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John Trier wrote: Jim ....... I hope you've been in contact with the seller and pleaded your case.   I had this exact thing happen in a different area of collecting.   I immediately contacted the seller and they had indeed made a deal for a fraction of the item's worth.   Because I contacted him, he reneged on the sale and re-listed it on ebay.  I sent them all the info on there lamp. I hope that they do not go through with the deal with the buyer and relist it. I stressed to him it is worth much more than he sold it for, But we will see?


Link to auction


https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMG-Antique-Victorian-Brass-DRAGON-BATTLING-SNAKE-Adjustable-22-30-034-Height-Lamp-/323654040248?hash=item4b5b48bab8%3Ag%3Ac9wAAOSwHF1cQNkg&nma=true&si=FHb5gJ%252FP4BJ%252BEPdkVYwxCiHNwUo%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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 Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 03:31 am
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This behavior takes a lot of the fun out of collecting.
I recently listed some telechron clock parts for auction, got a message from someone trying this BS. They said they were making an offer that was more than fair to me. Offer was $30 shipped. It ended up selling for $74 + shipping. Guess who was the runner up bidder at $73? The scum who tried to steal it for less. My philosophy is if one has to lie,cheat,steal to get a deal it is not worth it.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 03:42 am
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Austin Ko
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I have had countless people do this crap to me. Once listed a zippo lighter. I knew it was good. Guy offers me 50 bucks. I decline and it sells for 350. CutNDry on ebay or at least that was his handle used to do this to me all the time till I blicked him. Always low balled me to end it early.

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Levi Mevis
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Edward Kowalke wrote: This behavior takes a lot of the fun out of collecting.
I recently listed some telechron clock parts for auction, got a message from someone trying this BS. They said they were making an offer that was more than fair to me. Offer was $30 shipped. It ended up selling for $74 + shipping. Guess who was the runner up bidder at $73? The scum who tried to steal it for less. My philosophy is if one has to lie,cheat,steal to get a deal it is not worth it.

I know that feeling, I too deal in antique electric clocks, which I realize electric clocks aren't ever going to fetch the hundreds of dollars that the 100+ year old mechanical clocks will fetch but they do still have some collectors value, and I unfortunately have dealt with people who have tried to low ball me in person with some of my antique electric clocks when I've tried to sell them.

I even once recently tried to buy a cover for a Sansui turntable I was trying to fix up for my brother-in-law on ebay and the guy I was attempting to buy it from was parting out a Sansui turntable that was basically from the same model series as mine and when I asked him if he had the lid he sent me a picture of the lid and said "is this what you're looking for?" and I said "yes exactly, how much do you want for it?" and the dude never gave me a price and when I tried contacting him numerous times trying to get a price out of him he just ignored my messages and I never got a chance to buy the part. 
Which sucks because Ever since then I have yet to find another cover like what I need for sale on eBay to finish fixing up the turntable I'm trying to fix for my brother-in-law.

So unfortunately even the sellers can be unscrupulous... :pissed

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Back on ebay. It can be yours for the starting bid of $3,500    Beautiful lamp.






https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Dragon-Fan-by-Fort-Wayne-Electric-the-Holy-Grail-of-Fan-Collectors/323665164236?hash=item4b5bf277cc:g:c9wAAOSwHF1cQNkg:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true

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 Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 05:49 am
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That is a beautiful lamp. I am conflicted on this issue however, and would like to play Devil's Advocate.

To me, what distinguishes someone offering for an eBay item for the seller to end early different than someone buying a nice fan from someone who doesn't quite know what they have? Can everyone say here that if they were in a situation where a local estate sale had a Tesla listed as "Vintage Fan - $50", that you would tell them what the fan was and offer them retail? Sure, you might give them a little more for it, but I can't imagine you wouldn't take that opportunity, otherwise you might miss the next fan.

In my opinion, it is up to the seller to do the research and appropriately understand their item's worth. Most large antique sellers on eBay are people who scour estate sales and auctions looking for a quick turn around, not someone with their family heirloom. And even then, they should do the research. It is not hard. A quick search would've dug up Jim's original post on the piece pointing to its value.

Now that the seller has an idea as to the piece's value, the piece can only go to someone with deep pockets.

I would go as far as to infer that even the most seasoned collectors here have done similar things. It's a dog-eat-dog world. Chances are the person who offered to end it early, though it was nasty of them to do so, has been on the prowl for one of these equally as long.

In this situation I think the seller was equally at fault, and even more so. They are who make the decision ultimately. I can almost guarantee you he is looking for a quick buck. He doesn't care about the item.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 11:38 am
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None of us are saints, and will all buy a Peerless Spin Start for $50 in an antique shop if that's the price listed.  An auction setting is different. To safeguard against this, I'll communicate with the seller on my intent to bid high toward the end of an auction. You can always tell when a seller doesn't know what they have.  ]I'm responsible for 2 auctions being re-listed after the seller agreed to sell to someone who made an offer.   One was a junk fan that had a 6 wing Holtzer Cabot blade on it.   (Seller agreed to sell for $150 but in the end got about $2400) The 2nd was a microscope (seller agreed to sell for around $1250 then re-listed and the hammer was $9000).   I know of other examples where slick eBay'ers lie and slither their way into the sympathy of an unsuspecting seller.   I know a dealer who successfully bought a $15,000 item for $350.  That despite the pleas of other Ebayer's. 

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On one hand, good for you Jim, you saved the seller. On the other, it's an expensive lamp now whether it really was one before or not. I truly hope you get it, it's a nice piece, but you also need the fan and that aint cheap either.


 


One recent interesting eBay auction was the link I posted here to the dragon motor assembly that needed work, the head of the dragon had broken off, but was a factory unit, probably a dental motor outfit. I communicated with the seller but never told him it was also used as a rare fan assembly. He had $1100 on it with make offers, I made an offer per eBay, he declined, I posted here, someone bought it, hopefully a member here. I communicated after the sale and would have been shipped and let him know what it was also made as, i.e. I never let the cat out of the bag so to speak. His comment was "this would've been useful to know before." So, I was a bit of a D&*( on one hand, but on the other, it's not my job to help a seller, but if it led to a member purchase, I'm pleased.


 


 

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It is your lucky day Jim, the lamp has been relisted for $3500.00. I don't see that you have made a bid on it.I don't know if you noticed, it is a lamp, not a fan.... I was not involved in the transaction; however, I would be very careful with your choice of words. 

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Lamp drama,gotta love it

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Some folks care not about history or the hobby, just money grubbing. How do they find all the good stuff?

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Could just buy the T-Shirt now that members here took it upon themselves and told the seller it is rare...


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Chris A. Campbell wrote: Could just buy the T-Shirt now that members here took it upon themselves and told the seller it is rare...


Short, succinct and to the point Chris, I like it.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 28th, 2019 07:39 am
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Well someone has a lot more money than me. It has a bid!

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Well it sold for   $7,351.00  I wish it was mine!

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Are Congradulations in order to Jim Kovar???

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I think, this lamp is extremely rare.
Congratulations to the winner!

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Jim stepping up to the plate!:shock::shock:

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Me too

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Knowing the history, I would be very quiet until
I saw it on my porch. I do hope a member got it.

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Steve Cunningham wrote: Knowing the history, I would be very quiet until
I saw it on my porch. I do hope a member got it.
Totally agree!

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