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 Posted: Sat Oct 5th, 2019 01:48 pm
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Russ Huber
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What is the earliest the Eck fan motor this tag is attached to was manufactured?

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 Posted: Sat Oct 5th, 2019 01:50 pm
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By the patent dates, I would guess 1916.

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 Posted: Sat Oct 5th, 2019 02:08 pm
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The Irving blade patent was used to implement the Eck ---ming blade introduced in ……..1917.





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 Posted: Sat Oct 5th, 2019 02:13 pm
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The fan this tag is attached to dates no earlier than 1917 +

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 Posted: Sat Oct 5th, 2019 02:15 pm
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Eck fan motor dating appears to fool many.  No disrespect intended.  :D

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Looks dirt old doesn't it. This fan dates 1917-18 manufacture. 





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The reason they command so much attention is Eck made the 12" ming blade models it appears for only the 17 and 18 fan motor seasons. My impression, it was a sales tactic that flopped. Starting in 19 Eck used the ming blade on 16" DC fan motors only. In 1920 Eck implemented the Eck ming blade on both DC and AC 16" models.

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Russ......what about the basic pizza design and the Offset pizza design. Is the curved blade model you show, technically the only "MING" blade? 

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Rick Padron wrote: Russ......what about the basic pizza design and the Offset pizza design. Is the curved blade model you show, technically the only "MING" blade? 
Eck redesigned the ming blade in 1919 to a SYMETRICAL(pizza slice wing) wing, advertising use of that wing exclusively for the DC 16" model. It was still referred to as a ming blade. in 1920 the SYMETRICAL ming blade wing models were implemented on both the AC and DC 16" models. There is no mention of the Eck 12" models starting in 1919 having the new design ming blade. In fact, there is no mention of the Eck 12" models having a ming blade at all starting the 1919 fan motor season. This would explain why they are in limited numbers. 


Placing the ming blade on the 16" models exclusively in 1919 makes sense. The 16" models make the most blade noise.


 

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Another thing to keep in mind is Eck placed their first in house AC desk fans on the market in 1913. So any of the Eck  AC models sporting the 1915 Irving/ming blade patent on the base tag date 1917+.  

Any of the Eck in house made AC models without the 1915 patent on the tag were manufactured 1913-1916.


So if you nail an Eck fan motor with a 1910 patent blade guard and 4 tab base without a base tag. It could date 1910-1916. So, don't stick a Donald Coleman repop tag with the 1910 guard patent APP. FOR base tag on it and date it 1910 circa.  :D

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Those 16" Eck fan motors with pizza wing ming blades date 1919 possibly if it is a DC model, and 1920+ if it is an AC model.

They look ancient, but they are not.


The DC 16" Eck in the images dates no earlier than 1919.

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Both Eck and the Lundell DC fan motor line were very popular and well know back then in the electrical trade. Beyond a certain point few changes were made to them, and yet they sold well into the late teens. Sprague Lundell being marketed exclusively as a direct current model. 

Eck packed his bags and went to Sweden in 07 and Eck dynamo continued manufacture in the states with one of the two long term Eck agents(Wallace) as CEO. Goldmark & Wallace were Eck's exclusive agency starting Jan. of 97. Eck dropped G&W agency only briefly starting in 1903 with the introduction of his mechanical oscillator.

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and you delete the HUM from Humming, you have MING. This is for the newcomers. Still alive and cutting back. Not much interest in fans anymore.

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Loren Haroldson wrote:  Still alive and cutting back. Not much interest in fans anymore.
I haven't restored a fan in so long I doubt my ability to do so anymore. I have numerous boxes of fans disassembled for restoration. They are all like Rubik's cubes to me now.  Now I am just a posting windbag of numerous book scans of past.

I always regret I didn't chase Bernie's relatives when you first posted this military image. At the time you posted the image, the relative who posted the image of Bernie and info. may of held a treasure chest of Bernie's past. I am sure the relative like many others have moved on by now.


The clock is spinning much faster with each passing year. The gray hair is winning over the brown.

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Russ Huber wrote: The gray hair is winning over the brown.
 :D  Wish I had that problem...


For me, "no hair" is winning!  :shock:

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Jim Kovar wrote: Russ Huber wrote: The gray hair is winning over the brown.
 :D  Wish I had that problem...


For me, "no hair" is winning!  :shock:

No maintenance and dollars stay in your wallet. :tumbs

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Russ Huber wrote: Loren Haroldson wrote:  Still alive and cutting back. Not much interest in fans anymore.
I haven't restored a fan in so long I doubt my ability to do so anymore. I have numerous boxes of fans disassembled for restoration. They are all like Rubik's cubes to me now.  Now I am just a posting windbag of numerous book scans of past.

I always regret I didn't chase Bernie's relatives when you first posted this military image. At the time you posted the image, the relative who posted the image of Bernie and info. may of held a treasure chest of Bernie's past. I am sure the relative like many others have moved on by now.


The clock is spinning much faster with each passing year. The gray hair is winning over the brown.
Russ, I'd take the burden of those dang Rubik's cubes off your hands!  :D

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Sean Campbell wrote: Russ Huber wrote: Loren Haroldson wrote:  Still alive and cutting back. Not much interest in fans anymore.
I haven't restored a fan in so long I doubt my ability to do so anymore. I have numerous boxes of fans disassembled for restoration. They are all like Rubik's cubes to me now.  Now I am just a posting windbag of numerous book scans of past.

I always regret I didn't chase Bernie's relatives when you first posted this military image. At the time you posted the image, the relative who posted the image of Bernie and info. may of held a treasure chest of Bernie's past. I am sure the relative like many others have moved on by now.


The clock is spinning much faster with each passing year. The gray hair is winning over the brown.
Russ, I'd take the burden of those dang Rubik's cubes off your hands!  :D

Than you would condemn me forever to be nothing but a posting windbag. :D  

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Loren Haroldson wrote: and you delete the HUM from Humming, you have MING. This is for the newcomers. 
http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=19376&forum_id=1&highlight=Ming+blades+explanation

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