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 Posted: Sun Oct 6th, 2019 06:07 pm
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Vic Valencheck
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I bought this fan from a member for a good price not knowing if the gears were bad. But I assumed that they would be.Took it a part and discovered that the pot metal lever gear was shot. The collar gear looks good but replacing both. Tim Hanks is making a set for me. It didn't have a switch cover. Chad Baker fortunately  had one and sent it to me.Everything else looks good. The brass cage and brass blade are in great shape. All motor and switch coil readings look good.. Doesn't look like that I'll have to invest much into it.
Having the motor housing and base powder coated. I'll follow up on the progress




















Someones been living in there. Haha












Sand blasted and ready for powder coating.



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 Posted: Thu Oct 10th, 2019 04:30 pm
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Larry Miceli
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Wow! Great project! My 12" Collar was a tough restoration. It needed a motor and switch rewind (thanks to Rick Huckabee) and Lucas Beshara did so much work including making new gears to replace the cracked and broken pot metal gears and sleeving the nose piece that was all worn out as well. It is one of my favorite fans and gets more comments than almost any other in my collection.

Question, I see your fan has the brass tag on the base that shows the speeds. Is this specific to the 16:" fan as my 12" doesn't have them and there were no holes in the base for the tag. 



Good luck with the restoration and I'm looking forward to more pictures of the work in progress.



Before and after pictures are below









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 Posted: Thu Oct 10th, 2019 05:23 pm
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   Larry, I think the absence/presence of a brass tag is more a product of when the motor was produced, the earlier ones (lower serial number) seem to have numbers above the switch while later numbers seem to have the tag... Steve Stephens has posted on the subject before, and I'm confident will have something to say now..... and this begs the questions: what is the serial number of your fan, got a good photo of the upper tag?





      12-inch fan










     16-inch fan 




...keep the thread updated, Vic, it's great to see what you're doing.....

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 Posted: Fri Oct 11th, 2019 12:12 am
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Vic Valencheck
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Great job on yours Larry! Can't wait to finish mine up. Got the powder coating done. Just about ready to install the stator. Still waiting for the gears.
  Not sure about the speed tag. I think Steve is probably right about early or late serial numbers. I can't make out my number. I'll have to clean it up to see what it is.
   Now that I have restored a coin opt. this one shouldn't be to bad to put back together. If only I remember how I did it. Haha

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 Posted: Fri Oct 11th, 2019 01:14 pm
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Larry Miceli
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Steve,



The serial
number on my 12" Collar is 919789. The  GE Desk Fan Survey lists
production serial numbers from 919348-990513 which makes my fan the 441st fan
in the Collar Oscillator line up (if the serial numbers listed are accurate).
There is no indication of whether or not  the 16" and 12" fans
had a different range of serial numbers.



The question
was when did GE change the Collar fan's switch label from stenciled speed
numbers to the brass tag? Or was the brass tag specific to the 16" fans
only?



Here is a pictures of my fan's motor tag and the base showing the
stenciled speed numbers rather than the brass tag as is shown in Vic's
pictures.


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The serial number on my 12" Collar is 919789. The  GE Desk Fan Survey lists
production serial numbers from 919348-990513 which makes my fan the 441st fan
in the Collar Oscillator line up (if the serial numbers listed are accurate).
There is no indication of whether or not  the 16" and 12" fans
had a different range of serial numbers.

The question was when did GE change the Collar fan's switch label from stenciled speed
numbers to the brass tag? Or was the brass tag specific to the 16" fans only?

   Quick answer, because I'm really pressed for time right now... I'll get back to things later in the day... there are other collar fans in that interval between 919348 and yours, and it might be the case that they all are part of a continuous production run of collar fans, but I don't know... I've been tracking GE serial numbers along with Form info etc. in part to answer questions such as yours. As the task progressed I realized that photos of other attributes would be useful contributory information, and this listing keeps growing... for instance, I moved the timeline well past the initial mid-teens all the way to the beginning of the Vortex era... what I can say with a quick glance is that I see the change around the 940000 mark. Sadly, there are limited photos of this particular detail.



 You see that whether 12- or 16-inch, the tags were used regardless of model number--- 75423, 75425, 78777 or 146079.

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 Posted: Fri Oct 11th, 2019 07:49 pm
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I cleaned up my motor tag up a bit. As you can see the number is 951262.




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 Posted: Fri Oct 11th, 2019 11:03 pm
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Steve R. here is the tag on my 12” and it has the brass speed tag. 

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   Thanks for good photos and good information... so far then, there are no inconsistencies with circa 940000 as the dividing point between stenciled numbers and brass speed tags. My 12-inch pictured above is #941737, not inconsistent. Below is #938153, stenciled, again supporting this working hypothesis. More entries could help narrow this down further...?







   Steve Butler, is "Q" stamped towards the right side of the line containing the 75423, as it is with Vic's brass tag? There is great inconsistency in the attaching of Form designations...


   It would be good to correlate this data with BMY/MMY/SMY fans... #964025 is stenciled, first puncture in the general hypothesis...


   Another note regarding these Form Qs and other Forms of that mid-teens era (R, S, possibly P or T): it frequently seems to be that early examples-- meaning lower serial numbers-- are residence fans. With respect to collar fans, both #919434 and #919458 are residence fans (no Form stamped on the tag). Form S3 #1007615 is also a residence fan, for whatever that might be worth...

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Here you go Steve. 

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 Posted: Sat Oct 12th, 2019 03:14 pm
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So, the lack of a number or letter designation below the serial number indicates residential vs commercial use?

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   Not at all, Larry... that much I can say with certainty.



   There was a period of time when GE was extremely lax, absolutely derelict, in designating Forms on the tag. They seem to have used Form designations in paperwork whatnot, but it is in Form P where the inscriptions again appear (rarely and to a large extent, these seem to be later-production Form P units), Form Q is stamped somewhat erratically, though with seeming regularity closer to the end of production run... 1905 Pancakes lack the Form info, as do subsequent years up to about 1914... but they actually had Form L, Form M, N, and skipped (logically) as far as I currently know, Form O...
   The thing to say about residence fans is that they carry numerals which are multiples of three... P3, Q3, R3, R9, R12, S3, S6, T3, V3, V6, V9... to date. A while back Russ Huber had a Form R5 which turned at residence fan speed, but after being oiled I believe the speed ramped up and approached customary 4-blade rpm as expected... not sure about the final outcome there...




 So, lack of designation equates to..... some sort of benign negligence?

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